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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Feb 2, 2016 4:51:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 13:53:33 GMT
Just?. Turns out the much vaunted 2017 makeover to whoosh up F1 has already taken a severe kick to the goolies in that Pirelli say they feel they are unable to make tyres to cope with the expected levels of down-force possible with the previously mooted bodywork changes. (As a side note, I am technically amazed that current F1 cars apparently generate more downforce now than examples from the late 70's say, that had full car length under-body wings and skirts to contain the airflow). So, wheelbases will be wider, bodywork won't. Also, at this moment in time, the teams are nattering about what the 2017 regs will properly be. Needless to say, all have various axes to grind and a unanimous decision is required pretty toot sweet, lead in times being what they are. This from a bunch of people that I believe couldn't agree between them whether or not to open a bag of crisps before or after lunch. smh. And on another side note. Head protection is being heavily pushed for 2017 too with Mercedes fucking hideous "solution" being the front runner for adoption. NSFW considerations means I won't link to photographs of it. It's an abomination that no car lover should be inflicted with ever having to witness. Trust me. O okay then perverts On the upside for punters who actually pay to go see/hear the show, the silencer, also known as a turbocharger, has been more or less by-passed for this season which should make them quite a bit LOUDER.
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Post by coach_wargo on Feb 2, 2016 14:32:06 GMT
I'm happy to see K-Mag get a drive, no matter how much he paid for it. 2017 regs will be whatever Ferrari (and maybe Mercedes) say they are. The Mercedes halo is ridiculous. I keep reading about fighter jet style cockpits being dangerous because a driver could be trapped in a fire if the car is upside down. When was the last time a car caught on fire while upside down? I think Indy will move first on enclosing the cockpit. There's an American team this year! Actually I could care less about who owns the team. I do expect Haas to be running mid pack by the end of the year, Gene Haas doesn't do anything half way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 15:11:53 GMT
Probs right re Indycar adopting first though a big push is on for it in F1. Rank fugliness doesn't seem to be a concern over there from all I have seen . Plus, it's not as simple to implement as some may think, so, 2017 earliest i.m.o.
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Post by coach_wargo on Feb 2, 2016 16:38:24 GMT
The cars aren't pretty, but the racing has been good.
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Post by doubles92 on Feb 2, 2016 17:42:12 GMT
Max Verstappen.
This is all.
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Post by coach_wargo on Feb 3, 2016 14:37:18 GMT
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Feb 4, 2016 5:45:23 GMT
Just?. Turns out the much vaunted 2017 makeover to whoosh up F1 has already taken a severe kick to the goolies in that Pirelli say they feel they are unable to make tyres to cope with the expected levels of down-force possible with the previously mooted bodywork changes. (As a side note, I am technically amazed that current F1 cars apparently generate more downforce now than examples from the late 70's say, that had full car length under-body wings and skirts to contain the airflow). So, wheelbases will be wider, bodywork won't. Also, at this moment in time, the teams are nattering about what the 2017 regs will properly be. Needless to say, all have various axes to grind and a unanimous decision is required pretty toot sweet, lead in times being what they are. This from a bunch of people that I believe couldn't agree between them whether or not to open a bag of crisps before or after lunch. smh. And on another side note. Head protection is being heavily pushed for 2017 too with Mercedes fucking hideous "solution" being the front runner for adoption. NSFW considerations means I won't link to photographs of it. It's an abomination that no car lover should be inflicted with ever having to witness. Trust me. O okay then perverts On the upside for punters who actually pay to go see/hear the show, the silencer, also known as a turbocharger, has been more or less by-passed for this season which should make them quite a bit LOUDER. looks quite hideous Trak, the open cockpit is one of the main staples of open wheel racing. Grosjean and Gutierrez in a privateer Ferrari, should make for some interesting racing, along with McLaren/Honda if they pull there act together. @dubs its only a few more years until Verstappen replaces Raikonnen at Ferrari, he's looking like the next Schumi, and Vettel the next Barichello
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Feb 22, 2016 17:13:31 GMT
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Post by coach_wargo on Feb 22, 2016 18:50:55 GMT
Video of the new McHonda exhaust.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 4:42:50 GMT
Yerse. Colour me dismayed at the apparent lack of volume still.
My cure for F1 and cheap to boot?. Drop the pathetic nod to greenness that is current fuel flow rates in F1=1500bhp easypeasy. Everything they want for 2017 at a stroke. Harder to drive, louder (more revs, bigger bangs) Never happen though. Green Pussies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 15:33:35 GMT
A quick update for all you sports fans out there. A new qualification procedure is likely to be implemented as from the first F1 Grand Prix this year that will be an extreme version of that o so popular feature in GTA race lobbies "destroy last place". I can't be arsed to explain it. It will be difficult and likely confusing to commentators and public alike and sucks huge hairy balls. Fiddling for the sake of fiddling and finding an answer to a question that nobody asked. Nuff said.
Furthermore, the powers that be have kinda sorta maybe agreed the regs for 2017 but conveniently postponed anything being written in stone until the end of next month while they all weigh up the implications of the proposals and try to come to a unanimous consensus on them (good luck with that). Red Bull are very not happy cos they wanted a lot more freedom in the aero department because they have a crap engine + Adrian Newey and Mercedes are not happy cos they would obviously prefer the status quo that is boring everyone to death except them. Also mooted is retaining fuel flow rate per hour because its so helps with that perception of being "Green" b.s. (Lets ignore the two 747's lunking the cars, equipment and personnel around the planet umpteen times this season) but increasing overall fuel allowance per race so theoretically there would be less, if any, "lift and coast" scenarios during "races".
Also the Mercedes "halo" or fugly piece of unsightly crap as I prefer to think of it, is definitely on it's way. I am most assuredly for head protection by the way (kinda), my small concession to the modern pussification of F1 (wouldn't have helped Jules Bianchi but most importantly would have helped Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees) but not that pathetic looking contraption please.
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Post by coach_wargo on Feb 24, 2016 17:09:17 GMT
I guess the powers that be didn't like the teams waiting until the last 3 minutes of a session to put in a time. A better solution would be to just reduce the length of each qualifying session. Typical solution in search of a problem.
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Post by kidovey on Feb 25, 2016 13:36:37 GMT
A quick update for all you sports fans out there. A new qualification procedure is likely to be implemented as from the first F1 Grand Prix this year that will be an extreme version of that o so popular feature in GTA race lobbies "destroy last place". I can't be arsed to explain it. It will be difficult and likely confusing to commentators and public alike and sucks huge hairy balls. Fiddling for the sake of fiddling and finding an answer to a question that nobody asked. Nuff said. Furthermore, the powers that be have kinda sorta maybe agreed the regs for 2017 but conveniently postponed anything being written in stone until the end of next month while they all weigh up the implications of the proposals and try to come to a unanimous consensus on them (good luck with that). Red Bull are very not happy cos they wanted a lot more freedom in the aero department because they have a crap engine + Adrian Newey and Mercedes are not happy cos they would obviously prefer the status quo that is boring everyone to death except them. Also mooted is retaining fuel flow rate per hour because its so helps with that perception of being "Green" b.s. (Lets ignore the two 747's lunking the cars, equipment and personnel around the planet umpteen times this season) but increasing overall fuel allowance per race so theoretically there would be less, if any, "lift and coast" scenarios during "races". Also the Mercedes "halo" or fugly piece of unsightly crap as I prefer to think of it, is definitely on it's way. I am most assuredly for head protection by the way (kinda), my small concession to the modern pussification of F1 (wouldn't have helped Jules Bianchi but most importantly would have helped Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees) but not that pathetic looking contraption please. Dunno whether you have Sky Trak but I certainly cant afford a 50 quid monthly package when all I will literally watch is Sky Sports F1. Any-who, this legend is gonna get taken off of YT any day now, but in the meantime I've been really enjoying 'Teds Notebook' at testing and the one below touches on the new quali rule changes, not so much how they work but how and why it came about. Ted Kravitz being the chap that he is also made a point of asking Eric Boullier and a couple of others some awkward questions like errr.... if you wanna make F1 more exciting, why aren't you reducing the amount of aero on the cars and increasing their ability to follow another car in traffic?! Anyway, I believe tonight is development corner, where he goes through the clever bits and pieces on this years cars, can't wait... Oh, and speaking of which, what do you think to Red Bull's low drag, super slippy, hydrophobic, matte coating they have on the car? Very James Bond.
Other than that, I think the best hopes of interesting races we have of this year is with the tyres, Ted K describes them quite epicly by calling them Twix's. They have a thin but smooth 'Chocolate' Layer on the top, then pretty quickly that burns off and you get to the 'Caramel' section; really sticky and quite a thick section, but then eventually you get to the 'Biscuit' Layer which apparently is like hitting a brick wall in terms of grip and performance. Sounds like the Pirelli Tyres of the 2011-12 sort of era, and to be fair, I quite enjoyed the 'cliff-edge' concept then.
(PS: all I can think of now is that 'Buttery Biscuit Base' video that fno shared a while back.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 15:06:14 GMT
No Sky any more Kid and it's a lot more than 50squid for me to get to see the only thing I purposely watch tv for. Don't get me started on having to pay for 392 channels of pure shite plus a monthly "premium" for HD just to get to the one channel I do want to watch!.
Did not know about Red Bulls slippery paint. Very cool idea but they will need more than that is my guess. I am super interested in the technical stuff in F1 and really should give Ted's notebook another look. I used to find him slightly hard work to watch but informative during my Sky years.
Dismayed to read last night that the weight limit is supposedly going up again for 2017 too. L.Hamilton saying that when he entered F1 they came in at 600kgs. In 2017 they will have gone up to an exceptionally lardy 700kgs. Mental really. Give them wider tyres, more aero for 2017 then add even more weight. Genious! (some of that extra weight is to account for the proposed baby hoop/head cage which is not a bolt on part but will be have to be an integral part of the tub/chassis design). Somebody should refresh the rule makers memories about the laws of physics regarding mass, momentum, inertia and all that other good stuff.
Frankly, I knew the game was up when people that had no inkling that removing the noise from F1 might adversely affect it's draw for the average punter.
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Post by kidovey on Feb 26, 2016 15:05:55 GMT
Ted did not disappoint, this was a great watch. Only thing I didn't like about it is it confirms there's still so many additional places they are allowed to bung aero winglets on the car for 2016... like... is the message not getting across somehow at all? STRIP DOWN AND SIMPLIFY THE BLOODY AERO!!!Anyway, its happening. Enjoy the show.
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Mar 3, 2016 20:21:06 GMT
here's the ferrari/updated version of the "Halo" posted by trak, might just be me, but it seems to impair the driver's vision more?
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Post by coach_wargo on Mar 3, 2016 21:46:51 GMT
At eye level it's actually fairly narrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 5:20:38 GMT
Gee whizz that is sooooooooooooooo fucking ugly and looks so much like the worst kind of shoddy afterthought doesn't it?. Was it dreamed up by primary school kids as part of a fun competition perhaps?. No, it was "designed" by some of the the best automotive designers on the face of the planet. I could cry. I would be ashamed of myself for putting that turd forward as a solution. Canopies or nowt lads please. Since when has expense been an excuse not to do something in F1?. Ah but an object could hit a canopy and once in a million years might bounce off, rather than merely lodging itself in your face, and hit someone in the rapidly thinning crowd that didn't read the "motor racing is dangerous" disclaimer on the back of every ticket ever sold at a race meeting. Still, we'll continue to frequent Monaco until a car inevitably launches into the crowd a?.
For me, as a being seemingly from another age completely now, this sort of pc crapola sits right up there alongside a recent story I read about there being a possibility of tackling in school rugby being banned for health and safety reasons. You what?. Really?. That's the whole game pretty much down the shitter right there then isn't it?. What are they going to do?. Hand over the egg when an opponent touches them on the ass, giggles and says "you're it"?.
Trust me, I wouldn't want to return to the the carnage that was motor racing in my yoot but post Senna's demise especially, cars and tracks really have gotten to be very safe indeed and that there is a step way too far towards total pussification imo and furthermore has much the same effect on an F1 car as the addition of a ginormous wart would be to Michelle Pfeiffers publicly perceived hotness(or choose your own more current hot bint). I has news for these turnips. You are all kidding yourselves. One can still, and someone will, get properly killed in a racing car no matter what you hand-wringers try to do. Get over it.
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Post by kidovey on Mar 4, 2016 13:16:55 GMT
Gee whizz that is sooooooooooooooo fucking ugly and looks so much like the worst kind of shoddy afterthought doesn't it?. Was it dreamed up by primary school kids as part of a fun competition perhaps?. No, it was "designed" by some of the the best automotive designers on the face of the planet. I could cry. I would be ashamed of myself for putting that turd forward as a solution. Canopies or nowt lads please. Since when has expense been an excuse not to do something in F1?. Ah but an object could hit a canopy and once in a million years might bounce off, rather than merely lodging itself in your face, and hit someone in the rapidly thinning crowd that didn't read the "motor racing is dangerous" disclaimer on the back of every ticket ever sold at a race meeting. Still, we'll continue to frequent Monaco until a car inevitably launches into the crowd a?. Very much agreed. The thing that I can't get my head round, figuratively or literally, is the idea of a 'safety system' which involves putting a pole smack bang in the drivers line of sight.... I dont care how thin it is, its right in the middle of their vision. Even something 1mm thick would block a car, marshall, driver, fan, tractor, etc. from the right distance. If they want to protect drivers heads, its got to be some sort of canopy IMO, like this render: and if that then gives them a lot of fire worries then they need to work out a way of extracting the smoke and getting the canopy open ASAP... or leave it as it bloody is and get over it like Trak said.
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Mar 4, 2016 14:09:26 GMT
methinks if they wanna go the canopy route kid then they should consider overhauling the cars all together, maybe this will come to fruition F1 is supposed to be the highest class of auto racing in the world
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 14:24:22 GMT
If this was Skype I would have lots of little pumping heart things here here and here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 14:36:55 GMT
If this was Skype I would have lots of little pumping heart things here here and here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 14:43:05 GMT
Not quite what I had in mind T but thanks anyway ... I think
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Post by kidovey on Mar 4, 2016 16:38:09 GMT
methinks if they wanna go the canopy route kid then they should consider overhauling the cars all together, maybe this will come to fruition F1 is supposed to be the highest class of auto racing in the world Ahhh, that BLOODY thing! God that still gives me shudders of the vettel challenge on GT5!! But yes, I think what I posted is pretty similar to that, maybe even more advanced. Also F1 cars don't need headlights, and the last thing F1 needs is the ground effect fan system that Red Bull car had, aero is too strong in F1 as it is. Other than that... I think it should remain open wheeled! So yer, I guess I'm sticking to my original proposal.. haha!
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Post by kidovey on Mar 4, 2016 16:59:02 GMT
Oh and also I was giving this whole 'improve the racing' thing a thinkover last night, and you saying f1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport in the world has reminded me of the solution I came up with. OK, so, you know how F1 teams have sometimes seemingly endless supplies of Carbon body parts laying around at any given moment (imagine Lotus with Maldonado, they must have had to bring another truck full to each weekend!)?? Right, so, the rules should say the teams have to make one chassis per driver, but have two different sets of wings and engine covers in the garage. 1. Qualifying Trim, winglets everywhere, fans on winglets, winglets on fans, S-Ducts, F-Ducts, Blown Diffusers, anything they can think of, the most advanced aero available for modern day. 2. Race Trim, the car is mechanically identical to the quali car (for costs), but the front and rear wings and engine covers are changed to much much MUCH simpler, slippier designs, tightly governed by the FIA to prevent any loopholes allowing for development of aerodynamics. Points would be awarded for Quali. I'm no mathematicianist but something like half the points of a race, maybe more like a quarter in fact. A sum that's enough to maybe be the small difference over the course of a Championship for a driver to pip a rival, encouraging balls to the wall Quali laps, but not enough points (obviously) that someone could somehow win the Championship on good Quali performances alone. The constructors Champs should also be split between Quali and Race, with points being kept and a trophy going to each team (or both if its Merc last year!). The grid on Sunday will still be formed by Saturdays Quali Results, despite them bearing little to no meaning, since they were set in nigh on different cars. This could allow the fastest 'Race Pace' car to have qualified near the back of the grid, but have the means to race through the field, just as it could allow a car with a slower race pace to go all out in qualifying and get high up the grid to see if they can make the most of track position for the race. Thoughts, or should I get Jean Todt on the blower right away??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 15:14:11 GMT
Don't call us. We'll call you kid . Yours sincerely Bernie Ecclestone.
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Post by doubles92 on Mar 5, 2016 15:50:12 GMT
methinks if they wanna go the canopy route kid then they should consider overhauling the cars all together, maybe this will come to fruition F1 is supposed to be the highest class of auto racing in the world Great. Now I have an erection at work. :/
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Post by coach_wargo on Mar 5, 2016 18:35:17 GMT
methinks if they wanna go the canopy route kid then they should consider overhauling the cars all together, maybe this will come to fruition F1 is supposed to be the highest class of auto racing in the world It's like a Formula E and an LMP1 had a baby
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Post by coach_wargo on Mar 7, 2016 15:03:53 GMT
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