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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 16:48:03 GMT
I wonder if you guys are comfortable if you gave each other your IP addresses and did a trace route directly to each other? (can it work like that for home addresses, mine can, but I have a different connection to most) Also, I was under the impression that rockstar hosted games and not users, so surely if they couldn't directly connect it would be rockstar and not a specify ISP? - I'm just trying to understand here so please go lightly! I am set to do this as what I had pointed out in my last reply. Going to get with him while we are connected and do some tracing with our listed DNS servers. As to it being a R* thing. That is not the case. We have never had an issue connecting on the R* side, at least Luap and myself. What is the issue and was the issue last week was connecting up with Microsoft servers. I could not connect to any of his party chats. This has nothing to do with R*, it is a Microsoft thing.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 16:53:04 GMT
Wow, you guys are so far over my head. Here are some of the things i have going on that i hear others complain about on gtaf so assume it is rockstar... Ped cars sliding sideways, dissapearing, or jumping around. I assume that this is due to the player they are spawned for also being laggy for me. I see players at times apear to drive off the road straight through obsticles only to pop back onto the road in front of me a moment later. I frequently time out trying to join sessions. I often get stuck in loading screen for armwrestling until one or the other of us dashboards. I see my opponent in tennis on one side of the court while the ball is hit and returned on the other side. Other things i have not seen mentioned... Specific players not being able to join my session or job or party (non rockstar) but are able to send text. I cant join thiers either. All this while others ARE able to join. While using tanks or other explosives i often get dropped to dashboard with some microsoft message saying the game is broken. Im not sure I know how to translate all of the above wonderfull attention and detail into a comprehensible request for an operator at comcast.
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Post by Cuz05 on Jan 7, 2014 17:00:17 GMT
As for cuz your probably right, OR have got delays on engineering at the moment and still have an open MBORC (matters beyond reasonable control) case open in many areas due To recent bad weather here in the uk This was exactly what I figured my problem was since connection loss has gone hand in hand with bad weather. Gills and Bob live at opposite ends of the country but both are South Coast and the weather has been the same, it's likely to be the same source. Although neither have been as badly affected as me and Gills has had no loss of broadband at all. I actually thought mine was down to a busted wire at the post outside my house, we're fairly isolated and the phone line was very crackly as well, but it just miraculously came back on today. I figure it's because the engineers were due to come out Saturday, it'll work till we cancel the visit and then drop out again....
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Post by Cuz05 on Jan 7, 2014 17:04:46 GMT
I often get stuck in loading screen for armwrestling until one or the other of us dashboards. I see my opponent in tennis on one side of the court while the ball is hit and returned on the other side. That's some impressive sandboxing there man. I've had one series of armwrestling and have never played tennis online.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 17:09:41 GMT
You know it just occured to me. My son used to play side by side with me and i often noticed that he would load into freeroam after missions a lot faster than me from the same mission, he would rarely have any session timeouts or laggy drivers that i noticed. Is it possible all this could be my console? How difficult is it to switch to another console if i wanted to test it? He already has the 1rst disk installed on hard drive and second is on my thumbdrive. How do you transfer a profile?
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 17:12:06 GMT
I often get stuck in loading screen for armwrestling until one or the other of us dashboards. I see my opponent in tennis on one side of the court while the ball is hit and returned on the other side. That's some impressive sandboxing there man. I've had one series of armwrestling and have never played tennis online. I play all the available modes. If you check my stats in crew I top most of the boards except deathmatches...we got a couple who spend a lot of time on those.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 17:16:20 GMT
Are you using a wired connection to your xbox or are you wireless to your xbox? I am not talking about your headset. How is your xbox routed to your router? Do me a favor and either use the same cable your son was using to connect if it is wired. If it is wireless, try finding a new network cable and plug that in to try. The sliding cars things and dropping sessions is not necessarily a R* thing still. That is mostly just lag in general. I wonder if it just your cable that is causing things. If you are using wireless, something might be interrupting your signal.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 17:17:06 GMT
Sorry for the multiple posts but my head is swirling...it could also be something stupid like my wire vs his?
Note...the trace is from my pc to google...not my xbox to google.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 17:20:08 GMT
Your PC is wired to the same router in your house as your xbox. It is not going to matter in the case of your connection to the internet from your house out. We already established that your route to the internet does change at times.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 17:20:50 GMT
No i gave up trying to game on wireless years ago.
First thing i will try is changing the wire tonight. Not really sure how to accurately test it though besides playing which will take all night to randomly see if the problems persist.
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Post by Mo-seph on Jan 7, 2014 17:21:30 GMT
@cuz cracklin phone lines will cause havoc to your BB, could well be water ingress on the line, question is where.
Engineer will be able to run resistance tests on your line to find out where its occuring, theres also 2 way capaticity tests he can do
From your side if you have got some bb back, check your line attentuation and snr in your router stats (type 192.168.1.1 in browser address bar then use admin as username and password). Your router will show a "target snr" and your actual snr, which will change slightly. Youll have seperate upload and Download values, its download you wana look at. If your quite "out in the sticks" expect an attentuation of about 45-50db
If your finding the snr contantly drops from the target (which if you reset your routwr it will return to target, then fluctuate) or your attentuation spikes up youve got an issue on your line so dont cancel that engineer, whether its temporarily fixed or not lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 17:21:59 GMT
Sometimes that is the only way to test it out.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 17:22:14 GMT
Your PC is wired to the same router in your house as your xbox. It is not going to matter in the case of your connection to the internet from your house out. We already established that your route to the internet does change at times. Yes but we dont know what the hop time is from the console to the router
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 17:26:07 GMT
Trust me. If the wires are good, the hop will be the same. It essentially goes from what you are tracing(xbox/PC), to your router, to your ISP. There is no way to do a trace route from the xbox itself. There is no tool on the xbox for that. You would have to venture into getting a network sniffing tool on your PC to do those kind of things and I think that will just confuse you more.
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Post by Mo-seph on Jan 7, 2014 17:37:09 GMT
Grnd is right, im actually ashamed overlooked that one lol, first question should always be wired or wireless lol :s
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 18:09:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 18:18:33 GMT
To answer your other question earlier. To transfer your profile is easy since most everything is kept on MS servers. Only issue would be your Single Player save file. You can turn his console on, Sign him out, Sign in with a new existing profile. Put your thumbstick in and disc, load the game. Since you are logged in, it should sign you into your Online character fine. If not, you can always transfer your save file over to the thumbstick while you are still signed into your console. Just a heads up, save game files you can normally only "Move" them. Other data on the drive can be copied. Should not pose a problem, this would be for you Single Player save and general R* save file. When the game loads, it might ask what disc your save is on, just point it to the thumbstick.
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Post by Mo-seph on Jan 7, 2014 18:21:24 GMT
Grnd is right, im actually ashamed overlooked that one lol, first question should always be wired or wireless lol :s We all have our slow days. It's ok brother! remember mo.... tech smart lol
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Post by Cuz05 on Jan 7, 2014 18:35:09 GMT
Thanks Mo. Will try and look into that while my net is up... Ok doctor. I'm seeing this... It's a static page that I can refresh. Not seeing a lot in the way of fluctuation or finding a target figure. SNR Margin is varying between 13.5 and 13.9, Attenuation has remained constant with each refresh, I would've expected variation in the Rate at least. Not actually had a connection drop out since I restarted everything a couple of hours ago, not had this kind of stability for a couple of weeks but then it's not windy or raining atm, also something of a rarity in that time frame.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 7, 2014 23:34:28 GMT
OK so I switched the wire. Got in a public lobby and was having a bout with some dude. Started to drive off and he put a bounty on my head. Almost instantaneously I crashed to dashboard. The message reads... The game couldn't start. Try downloading the game again. For more help, visit www.xbox.com/support@grndzero I don't believe this particular error ever happened prior to me putting disk two on the thumbdrive. Also I did a few more of those traces... Tracing route to google.com [74.125.21.139] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms CISCO80375 [192.168.1.1] 2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1 3 290 ms 246 ms 99 ms 66.177.72.1 4 43 ms 17 ms 131 ms te-8-4-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.94.81] 5 158 ms 16 ms 258 ms te-0-4-0-10-ar02.westside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.225.69] 6 186 ms 31 ms 174 ms pos-3-13-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.89] 7 173 ms 74 ms 111 ms 23-30-206-146-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.30.206.146] 8 77 ms 79 ms 57 ms 72.14.233.54 9 55 ms 61 ms 27 ms 66.249.94.22 10 96 ms 104 ms 101 ms 209.85.248.57 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 27 ms 28 ms 80 ms yv-in-f139.1e100.net [74.125.21.139] Trace complete. 1 1 ms 3 ms <1 ms CISCO80375 [192.168.1.1] 2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1 3 150 ms 112 ms 156 ms 66.177.72.1 4 119 ms 23 ms 13 ms te-8-4-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.94.81] 5 144 ms 14 ms 40 ms te-0-4-0-10-ar02.westside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.225.69] 6 37 ms 183 ms 67 ms pos-3-13-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.89] 7 * * 195 ms 23-30-206-146-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.30.206.146] 8 * 602 ms 48 ms 72.14.233.54 9 81 ms 70 ms 31 ms 66.249.94.22 10 102 ms 75 ms 158 ms 209.85.248.57 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 163 ms 219 ms 124 ms yv-in-f139.1e100.net [74.125.21.139] Trace complete. 1 <1 ms <1 ms 1 ms CISCO80375 [192.168.1.1] 2 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1 3 73 ms 34 ms 109 ms 66.177.72.1 4 70 ms 124 ms 12 ms te-8-4-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.94.81] 5 39 ms 83 ms 19 ms te-0-4-0-10-ar02.westside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.225.69] 6 111 ms 36 ms 59 ms pos-3-12-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.95.61] 7 * 122 ms 99 ms 23-30-206-146-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [23.30.206.146] 8 69 ms 70 ms 114 ms 72.14.233.54 9 49 ms 54 ms 84 ms 66.249.94.6 10 64 ms 126 ms 114 ms 64.233.174.133 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 34 ms 26 ms 71 ms yk-in-f138.1e100.net [74.125.196.138] Trace complete. Why does it give three numbers for each address by the way?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 23:48:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 23:48:56 GMT
Might want to try deleting both installs and reinstalling them again if you feel it might be a problem.
Kind of surprised by the trace. It looks like it is pointing all the way back to Georgia? I might be wrong but that is what it looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 23:57:49 GMT
Give me a few minutes and I will ping and run a trace to your address. Might help things. Seems like a lot of hops to just get out of Comcast.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 8, 2014 0:04:36 GMT
and then there is this...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 0:19:40 GMT
This is what I am getting to you. Tracing route to 66.177.72.1 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GRNDZERO [192.168.1.1] 2 27 ms 24 ms 30 ms cpe-075-178-000-001.nc.res.rr.com [75.178.0.1] 3 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms gig0-3.fyvlncr-ubr1.nc.rr.com [24.88.225.25] 4 14 ms 15 ms 16 ms xe-1-1-2.chrlncpop-rtr1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64.34] 5 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms bu-ether24.atlngamq46w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.18] 6 19 ms 19 ms 17 ms 107.14.17.184 7 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms 107.14.16.178 8 20 ms 18 ms 19 ms be-14-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.83.125] 9 35 ms 35 ms 31 ms pos-0-10-0-0-ar02.westside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.86.89.190] 10 30 ms 43 ms 35 ms te-8-1-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.225.70] 11 33 ms 34 ms 35 ms 66.177.72.1
Trace complete.
Notice my ms to you. Pretty low. 17.178.0.1 is my gateway at time warner. Run a trace back to that address and tell me what comes up. BTW, your download seems awfully slow compared to your upload. Looks more like a DSL line than a cable line. For example. when I run a speedtest to Ookla going to Raliegh NC, I get 15Mbps download and a whopping 1.16 upload, granted, I am in primetime right now so it might be a bit slow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 0:26:39 GMT
I found this interesting. I did a tracert to the same IP as your DNS for google then did a google trace. You will notice more hops to google.com but not the IP your DNS is seeing as google and my times are better.
Tracing route to yv-in-f139.1e100.net [74.125.21.139] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GRNDZERO [192.168.1.1] 2 39 ms 23 ms 32 ms cpe-075-178-000-001.nc.res.rr.com [75.178.0.1] 3 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms gig0-3.fyvlncr-ubr1.nc.rr.com [24.88.225.25] 4 16 ms 15 ms 20 ms xe-7-1-3.chrlncpop-rtr1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64.64] 5 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms bu-ether44.atlngamq46w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.46] 6 16 ms 18 ms 18 ms ae-0-0.pr0.atl20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.171] 7 * 43 ms * 72.14.219.56 8 45 ms 44 ms 45 ms 72.14.233.56 9 45 ms 43 ms 40 ms 66.249.94.24 10 42 ms 43 ms 40 ms 64.233.175.15 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 59 ms 60 ms 59 ms yv-in-f139.1e100.net [74.125.21.139]
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Valdarious>tracert google.com
Tracing route to google.com [74.125.228.73] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GRNDZERO [192.168.1.1] 2 23 ms 29 ms 19 ms cpe-075-178-000-001.nc.res.rr.com [75.178.0.1] 3 10 ms 9 ms 8 ms gig0-3.fyvlncr-ubr1.nc.rr.com [24.88.225.25] 4 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms xe-7-1-3.chrlncpop-rtr1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64.64] 5 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms bu-ether14.atlngamq46w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.82] 6 16 ms 18 ms 16 ms 107.14.19.99 7 40 ms 41 ms 41 ms 72.14.219.56 8 43 ms 41 ms 71 ms 72.14.233.56 9 60 ms 60 ms 60 ms 66.249.94.20 10 39 ms 37 ms 47 ms 216.239.48.41 11 48 ms 49 ms 51 ms 66.249.95.228 12 44 ms 49 ms 63 ms 72.14.236.149 13 40 ms 40 ms 38 ms 72.14.238.247 14 42 ms 45 ms 38 ms iad23s07-in-f9.1e100.net [74.125.228.73]
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 8, 2014 0:32:09 GMT
I just upped my account this weekend to supposedly double my MB/s from 25 to 50...so yeah 10 is a bit low id say (sarcasm)
I am also pretty sure this isn't good either...
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601] Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Mike>tracert 17.178.0.1
Tracing route to 17.178.0.1 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms CISCO80375 [192.168.1.1] 2 9 ms 6 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1 3 217 ms 316 ms 88 ms 66.177.72.1 4 57 ms 15 ms 285 ms te-8-4-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.94.81] 5 42 ms 15 ms 107 ms 68.86.168.189 6 153 ms 23 ms 66 ms pos-0-6-0-0-cr01.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.95.57] 7 51 ms 98 ms 139 ms ae12.edge2.Miami1.level3.net [4.68.127.205] 8 159 ms 865 ms 169 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net [4.69.138.91] 9 166 ms 246 ms 645 ms ae-2-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.140.133] 10 140 ms 271 ms 124 ms ae-61-61.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.151.125] 11 198 ms 170 ms 457 ms ae-63-63.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.151.134] 12 132 ms 208 ms 295 ms ae-3-3.ebr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.132.77] 13 222 ms 172 ms 104 ms ae-6-6.ebr2.SanJose5.Level3.net [4.69.148.202] 14 209 ms 195 ms 183 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.SanJose5.Level3.net [4.69.148.109] 15 141 ms 111 ms 512 ms ae-5-5.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.148.138] 16 109 ms 130 ms 247 ms ae-61-61.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.153.2] 17 463 ms 156 ms 145 ms ae-1-60.edge1.SanJose2.Level3.net [4.69.152.7] 18 272 ms 425 ms 130 ms APPLE-COMPU.edge1.SanJose2.Level3.net [4.28.172.2] 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 0:36:55 GMT
Change that 17 to a 75 bud, lol.
It is my fault, I typed 17 as my gateway by a typo.
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 8, 2014 0:45:15 GMT
Im having a hell of a time copy pasting that info...the copy is greyed out and control C works when it wants to...what is trick?
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Post by LuapYllier on Jan 8, 2014 0:49:08 GMT
1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms CISCO80375 [192.168.1.1] 2 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1 3 126 ms 225 ms 159 ms 66.177.72.1 4 38 ms 124 ms 17 ms te-8-4-ur01.ftcaroline.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.94.81] 5 24 ms 75 ms 191 ms te-0-4-0-10-ar02.westside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net [68.85.225.69] 6 163 ms 67 ms 95 ms pos-3-14-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.81] 7 61 ms 33 ms 73 ms be-17-pe03.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.83.138] 8 127 ms 68 ms 27 ms 107.14.16.173 9 26 ms 174 ms 67 ms bu-ether15.atlngamq46w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.14.17.185] 10 95 ms 391 ms 40 ms 107.14.19.49 11 116 ms 81 ms 137 ms gig4-0-0.fyvlncr-rtr2.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.65] 12 246 ms 129 ms 165 ms cpe-075-178-000-001.nc.res.rr.com [75.178.0.1]
Trace complete.
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