Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 9:04:33 GMT
Hello everybody. I wasnt sure where to post this; anyway the time has come. I've had a great time racing with you all guys since i joined here on March. 4 months here passed really slow, i feel like im racing for red rum for a year.
A part the good things, laughs and promotions, its time for me to leave this crew for various (done feel its just because of our talking some days ago, it was the straw that breaks the camel's back, there were other issues) reasons i'll not explain to anybody, so please avoid asking me anything. I dont feel comfortable anymore here.
Dont get me wrong, like the guys that gives a fuck. i've cared about this crew a lot more than most people here. But this is the only thing left i can do.
I already left the crew from social club. Maybe some day in the future i might come back, who knows. For the moment i will race with other people and im keeping in my FR only the main guys i've raced with here.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cuz05 on Jul 28, 2014 9:13:03 GMT
Aw Bebbo, shame, its been fun having you around. All the best for the future  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:04:52 GMT
That sux man, il miss watching your exhaust as you pull further and further away from me... Go Hard !!
|
|
|
|
Post by LuapYllier on Jul 28, 2014 10:40:19 GMT
I am the cause of this, regardless of what he says. I am starting to wonder if I should be the one to go instead.
Sorry Bebbo.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:49:14 GMT
Ciao Bello! Go make some other place sexy, you'll always be welcome back Bebbo ;-)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 14:14:41 GMT
I would like to think that what ever the differences are, it can be worked out. Most disagreements are usually and nothing more than just mis-understandings. Really.. usually based on what the other person is believed to have believed and said to be done. Here is the actual definition of it..."Misunderstanding means mistake, error, misapprehension, misinterpretation, misconstruction, misconception, and misjudgment of words, views, perception and expressions"
In most disagreements.. its a mis-understanding.
Growing up with 2 older brothers .. well you gain insight of How the Male Mind Workds.. lol. I've seen friends... get into a fist fight.. only for an hour later to become rather good friends. Guys are different than gals. Women work on a different plane all together.
There are many types of racers here. Of all levels. The Newbs / Novice racers are in no comparison to the veteran.. ACE ..seasoned drivers. I've gone over the Races the crew has to offer.. well its left me with a SAD Realization that just plain skill is involved.. period. I've come to the conclusion.. that I am out of league here.
Then again.. all these Vet Racers.. I believe you have many things to offer. Luap gave a brilliant description of How To Over-take on curves.. well I applied that.. it works. Amazingly.
I would like to think you two.. or any other Seasoned Racers could take on 'Apprentices' and teach them. I would like to think.. Each Driver can work out their differences and perhaps 'prove' their skills in taking on Novices and teaching them what skills are needed.
I would like to think.. this is more than what it is.. If.. IF you have the ability to 'work things out' then this is one more skill needed in your quiver to be successful in life.
The Ability to get along.. well.. the opposite is.. will Ruin your career, it can create an atmostphere of aprehension as well as involving all those around. It can ruin relationships beyond repair. Rise above this.. its so easy to go down the wrong path.
|
|
|
|
Post by LuapYllier on Jul 28, 2014 14:30:46 GMT
Thats all well and good but after what I did I truely don't blame him for leaving. My actions were pretty much unacceptable for a person in a suposed leadership position and I am seriously debating within myself whether I should step down. The top drivers in our crew, of which bebbo was certainly one, deserve better than to have unfounded suspicions placed on them by their leadership.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 15:30:23 GMT
Well I believe this is a start. Being able to recognize our differences and weaknesses.. in my book shows a 'start' as well as a desire to leave space for mis-understandings. as well as possibly gain insight on our own 'plus's and our negatives'
THINK ABOUT THIS.. The very things we 'like about ourselves' are the VERY THINGS .... MOST OTHERS really dis-like. PERIOD. And being able to understand this.. and recognize this is a part of being successful in Everyday life.. as well as careers.
I want to be the Devils Advocate here.. (with the only hopes of bring this out onto the table'
Lets imagine what took place... and I'm only guessing...
VET Racers.. both with the attitude of the other should have given way? An inside 'overtake' that resulted in a bump. (in horse racing its almost and immediate 'dis-qualitfied'.. its not allowed and 'fouls' are claimed and reviewed by Judges. Good heavens if the Crew resorted to that~!
The 'outside Racer' did not give way.. the executing of the 'inside racer' due to lag.. or anything else.. leads to tempers rising.
I remember one time.. running with a French Crew.. racing.. a very long race.. 'long haul type' but with curves.. well balanced in many ways. Bumping was going on.. but I let it.. went from last place to first / second position. The leader of the race bumps me off the road.. intentional.. at that. I worked so hard from last place.. to get to first.. only to have this A hole bump me...and send me off the road. He took a good / semi clean race.. and ruined it. I refuse to race with them.. and pulled over to the side of the road.
IN short.. DID YOU take away someones 'Win'.. that they worked so hard for.. that 'Lag' and the thrill of racing .. just over-trumped all reason.. that the person in front of you.. is a team mate.. and his win..is win for the TEAM?
DID you mis-judge the turn in an OVER-confident position.. that you can do this?
The reason for me doing all this.. is to 'Bring it out' .. lets talk this over.. its usually a mis-understanding.
AND THINK ABOUT THIS ..
speaking as the Devils Advocate.. and the 'OTHER Racer' involved .. if not both of you.. 'EXPECTATIONS' .. is that what ruins 'relationships?' We ALL have expectations.. of what the other person should act..and respond. Is this where problems arise.. we all have expectations of others? I'd like to hear the 'OTHER SIDE' of the story. Its obvious a mis-understanding.. and I see One side already seeing mistakes that took place. Its a desire to make things work. Being about to talk about it guys. Come on.. lets play Head UPs.. there's so much to learn here. I assure you, we can all be better friends.. its only a matter of being able to express.. How You Feel.. and What Do YOu Think.!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 15:53:13 GMT
Wtf is going on? Someone care to explain? Please...
Earlyamsurfer no offence but thats impossible to read.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 16:13:26 GMT
I haven't been around much recently but is a shame Bebbo is moving on, no one puts as much commitment into this crew and their racing then he does. A big loss  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 16:49:54 GMT
@earlyasmurfer are you the Dalai Lama?  anyway you really scared me, seems like you are reading my mind  There's nothing more to say guys, seriously. I had a great time here, im not saying i hate you all and fuck to everybody. The point is really really easy to understand and to agree. Luap, my old man, please dont blame yourself too much. I gotta thank you because talking with you helped taking my decision. Sometimes expectations and personal thoughts do ruin relationships, thats correct. But that's because they are not based on something that actually reflects the reality; in my life i've experienced that very often, and everytime i was right. This time, i've seen some behaviours i absolutely did not like, over and over again; even with all the efforts i was putting for this crew, i started thinking negatively about holding my presence here. I had the final proof some days ago so I decided to leave RedRum. I Just wanted to race the last two events with you guys, and once again everything was more clear: i stopped seeing myself as part of this crew, so being RRR anymore is absolutely pointless. Maybe that's because of my expectations and personal thoughts on how a crew like this should've been; who knows? Thats the most i can say, again, because any other word is useless and wouldnt help to solve something that's actually broke. Maybe in many months ahead i could come back, but dont take this as a promise. I wish you all the best, from the first to the last racer. I hope this crew grow up more and more. Bye |
|
|
|
Post by LuapYllier on Jul 28, 2014 17:12:19 GMT
I haven't been around much recently but is a shame Bebbo is moving on, no one puts as much commitment into this crew and their racing then he does. A big loss Exactly my thoughts. He should not be the one leaving. Surfer, this has nothing to do with clean racing, the group I regularly run with all have a good understanding of each other in that regard. Bottom line is I questioned him, and in fact others indirectly, about how he/they could be so much faster than others known to be top notch drivers in the same cars on the same tracks running the same lines. I basically accused him of cheating even though I dint really mean to...all I really wanted was an explanation of some sort but because I am not real good with people...that isnt how it turned out. Funny thing is that Cuz pretty much hit the nail on the head a month or so back with his comments about me in a previous dispute. Its all right there in that post cuz...not trying to bring it up again but you were right. Problem now is that if I step down GTAPlayer is the last remaining official commissioner and that leaves the crew management abilities greatly diminished. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 17:32:10 GMT
@earlyasmurfer are you the Dalai Lama? anyway you really scared me, seems like you are reading my mind There's nothing more to say guys, seriously. I had a great time here, im not saying i hate you all and fuck to everybody. The point is really really easy to understand and to agree. Luap, my old man, please dont blame yourself too much. I gotta thank you because talking with you helped taking my decision. Sometimes expectations and personal thoughts do ruin relationships, thats correct. But that's because they are not based on something that actually reflects the reality; in my life i've experienced that very often, and everytime i was right. This time, i've seen some behaviours i absolutely did not like, over and over again; even with all the efforts i was putting for this crew, i started thinking negatively about holding my presence here. I had the final proof some days ago so I decided to leave RedRum. I Just wanted to race the last two events with you guys, and once again everything was more clear: i stopped seeing myself as part of this crew, so being RRR anymore is absolutely pointless. Maybe that's because of my expectations and personal thoughts on how a crew like this should've been; who knows? Thats the most i can say, again, because any other word is useless and wouldnt help to solve something that's actually broke. Maybe in many months ahead i could come back, but dont take this as a promise. I wish you all the best, from the first to the last racer. I hope this crew grow up more and more. Bye Nothing but love for you man <3 I've had alot of experience with different clans and crews in the gaming world, and I think one of the most important things we can do is respect it when someone wants to leave for their own reasons and leave it at that. There's always going to be drama, there's always going to be issues, you obviously don't feel it's right to stay right now and it's important that you follow your heart and do what's right for you. It's quite obvious that you want this to happen with as little drama and issues as possible, and that commands alot of respect as well. The only thing that should be needed to say by anyone here, after that first post of yours imo is: #1 That you're an amazing racer, and a cool guy and we all love you #2 If you ever find yourself ready to take the path home to Red Rum, if only for a short while, you will always be welcomed, atleast by me If you think that it's time for you to try something else then it is, and if you change your mind that is an option you have as well. But all of these choices are yours alone to make, and I think it's important that we respect that. You're opening the door to leave and giving us a nice goodbye, and that door will remain open for you for whenever you want to return. I would suggest you keep your rank on the forum though, to have the option to pop on and say hello whenever you feel like it! :-) @luapyllier: Take Bebbos advice and don't be so hard on yourself, there's no point in you starting to punish yourself over this, especially when Bebbo explicitly states he doesn't want you to. Even if it is true that the reason is you, you must let Bebbo confront you with that when he's ready to. And if not, we're going to be better off with you running around blaming yourself  Let the man leave if he wants to, and come back if he wants to. You can tell him you'll let him have a swing at you whenever he feels like though, if you feel you're in any way to blame ;-) Also, you're bringing up a good point about commisioners and leadership inactivity, and it might be time for us all to consider creating a new Red Rum on SC for the purposes of not leaving ourselves vulnerable to what would happen if you somehow find yourself becoming more inactive at some point... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:01:34 GMT
Its sad to see bebbo go - we always fight eachother but we are still good friends. Sorry for being an ass sometimes but everyone got their own opinions and shit happens.. Cya later beppo |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:22:22 GMT
UGH!!! First things first, Bebbo im sorry your leaving. Even though I didn't race with you often you are a great racer and I wish the best of luck. Secondly, Luap you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. I will admit, I also have had thoughts about certain members having modded cars, special boosts, etc... You are not alone. As a Rep. I didn't really feel it was in my best interest to talk about it to anybody. On the other hand as the Comish. Its your responsibility to make sure that all guidelines are followed. I really don't know how it all went down but hopefully you remain in crew and sitting as Comish. Grassy..
|
|
|
|
Post by nittydon on Aug 1, 2014 12:07:45 GMT
Laters Bebbo, never had the experience of racing you but your input here will be missed. Good luck.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 15:09:57 GMT
Porco Dio !?!
|
|
|
|
Post by refuso on Aug 7, 2014 12:31:40 GMT
Wish you all the best Bebbo!
|
|
anyway you really scared me, seems like you are reading my mind 
Let the man leave if he wants to, and come back if he wants to. You can tell him you'll let him have a swing at you whenever he feels like though, if you feel you're in any way to blame ;-) 
