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Post by Davexen on Sept 14, 2014 12:14:27 GMT
We were discussing this topic in the GP thread but it's probably best to have a decent place to discuss it.
In case some people don't know: Hitting a bump in GTA V (including GTAO racing) will give you a little boost in accelleration. This can simply be a bump on the road, or (infamously) the curbs of a sidewalk. One bump will have a minor effect, but if you chase every curb on the track this will greatly help you gain speed. There are a few problems with this. One problem is that it is obviously extremely unrealistic. It takes away from the (for lack of a better word) general vibe or immersion of a race if someone is going left and right across the track in order to gain speed. Another problem is that people utilizing this glitch/mechanic are an absolute pain to drive behind or next to in full contact races, since you never know when they are about to take a unconventional line in order to get to a curb.
Swifty is dead against it and suggested to have a gentleman's agreement about not using curbs. Personally I'm a bit torn; I don't like racing for curbs but I do use them occasionally. When I've hit a pole and come to a dead stop or when I've gone through a tight hairpin and in other cases where I'm at a really slow speed I will occasionally hit a curb to get back to normal speed, as long as I don't have to go out of my way to get it. That being said I would be fine with banning curb surfing, but like Cuz said it's impossible to police.
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:58:03 GMT
My feeling is, If the path is a logical line, use it. If you're on a straight and there's a kerb to quickly get a kick off, use it. If you're deliberately moving across the road to get on the pavement there's other crews who are a better fit to what you're looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:06:06 GMT
My feeling is, If the path is a logical line, use it. If you're on a straight and there's a kerb to quickly get a kick off, use it. If you're deliberately moving across the road to get on the pavement there's other crews who are a better fit to what you're looking for. I'm 100% with this ^^^^
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Sept 14, 2014 13:10:52 GMT
Totally agree with Swifty. Only time i use them? If i get loose or midjudge a corner, i use the sidewalk to het settled and get back on track, blocking them are gonna create problems.
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Post by Davexen on Sept 14, 2014 13:23:22 GMT
Ahh right Swift, I think I misunderstood you a bit in the other thread. I thought you wanted to agree to actively avoid curbs except when they are in the line you would've taken even without the curb. Completely agree with your points here.
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Post by fnord on Sept 14, 2014 13:32:00 GMT
I agree with Swifty.
I use them when it allows for a wider or better line. Its been like this since racing in gta iv. Its street racing and I like trying to perceive the whole street and see the best line round a corner. Whether that be on the road or over a kerb. Beyond that I do think its ridiculous that people are driving down entire straights on the pavement/sidewalk rather than on the road. I don't and wont do this as it seems silly to me, and as Dave said, breaks the immersion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 14:02:05 GMT
What they all said. Other crews can do what they like in their quest for competitive supremacy. Not in RRR events though please. It's not clever, it's not funny, it should not be necessary, it is often very rude. ............ ............. ............ ............ .
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Post by deejayb1874 on Sept 14, 2014 14:03:23 GMT
On the 'Tour Of The City' GP track we were running last night, the only time I went pavement surfing was on the fast right hand bend leading to the straight past Rogers Scrap Yard. No poles on the pavement (on the left) and it enabled me to take the right hander flat out. Obviously, if you get out of shape, you can take to the pavement to avoid poles (I'm thinking the propped left hand hairpin... Avoid the pole on exit by going right onto pavement) but actively seeking them out is a no-no for me. I say this as someone who drove down the pavements on Stars In Your Eyes on IV, and would wallride on Bohan Dash (I think it was this track) as you could go flat out passed all the breaking 'n00bs'. But again, both of these method left no litter on the road for others to tumble over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 14:50:46 GMT
Meh... I hate the side walk surfing. And i think over all this is making racing in the city very annoying. Especially for me considering how much weed i smoke, that last thing i need to be doing is hitting bumps and driving down side walks to go faster. I was never the fastest, but with this tactic becoming even more popular i find myself even further behind then i should be. I feel forced to drive like this just to keep up and it does not end well for me... I mean i could play stone cold sober but, that ain't gonna happen. (thats crazy talk)
Even last night, i was racing against randoms on a track where i know all the best side walk clippin' and surfin' spots. I used the curbs and blew them all away, after one lap i had a huge lead even tho none of them wiped out and where racing good behind me. I heard one of them say "I think hes a modder, hows he going so fast in a Sultan?" And thats the problem right there... Some people don't know yet, and when they do they will just add the problem.
This side walk shit is for me is becoming an ugly issue. It looks stupid thats for sure, but the effects on car speed and time are hard to ignore. And if all you care about is hot lapping and breaking records then those players will continue to do so. Its got to the point now where even on my created tracks i try by best to block the very bad spots, but its impossible to block them all. I myself have been taking a HUGE liking to races in the Vinewood Hills, Senora Desert, Sandy Shore and Grape Seed areas due the lack of curbs. The races out there seem much more balanced without the side walk surfin'.
I think it should not be allowed just for the sake of immersions and fun. But what ever, it seems like it might be to late. If anything some of us should send some videos to R* and hope they fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:11:50 GMT
I think it should be fixed by R*. But I think that any sort of "ban" on sidewalk surfing is just gonna create a whole lot of controversy and disagreements in the crew where it's not needed. People will start accusing eachother of hitting sidewalks, and I don't really feel anyone is entitled to govern how other crew members are racing as long as they are racing clean. I do agree that it's silly to be sidewalk surfing, and incredibly unrealistic, but I don't want to see or hear arguments between people or anyone being kicked from the crew because they hit a kerb or two, or even three. While it's incredibly unrealistic it's also often way more risky then staying on the road. By all means, lets petition R* to have it changed, I'm completely behind that. But calling it a gentlemans agreement, and having a ban on it seems a bit silly to me. What would be next? A gentlemans agreement to not accidentally hit light poles and signs, and a gentlemans agreement to not pass in the first X turns, etc, etc...?
I mean, I completely agree that we should encourage racing on the road, but that doesn't warrant adding a rule or a ban agains't using sidewalks in my opinion.
Personally, I don't move too far off my line to hit a kerb but in some areas and specific cases I'll try to take advantage of them to get a safer overtake. I'll also use them when re-entering a race after a crash to help me get the speed back up to pace a little faster. I don't think it's too advantageous for most technical tracks though, if you have to move far off the racing line to get it you might be getting a speed boost, but on the other hand you're taking a longer line, and I often see people go out of their way to hit kerbs only to overtake them myself without having hit any, simply because I'm going in a straighter line instead... The only times I've had people do annoying overtakes on me like that is when they're used on a last straight to get across the finish line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:20:34 GMT
Some people don't know yet, and when they do they will just add the problem. That's what i meant in the other thread when i said it will soon change, most people don't know about it. Wait till Broughy makes a vid on it But calling it a gentlemans agreement, and having a ban on it seems a bit silly to me. What would be next? A gentlemans agreement to not accidentally hit light poles and signs, and a gentlemans agreement to not pass in the first X turns, etc, etc...? No a gentlemans agreement not to actively use pavements for an advantage would be enough, using them after that and being pulled up on it should be enough to stop we're a crew who race for fun after all. No one spoke of kicking anyone for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:24:37 GMT
Some people don't know yet, and when they do they will just add the problem. That's what i meant in the other thread when i said it will soon change, most people don't know about it. Wait till Broughy makes a vid on it I thought he already did.... . Maybe it was done by someone else, but i remember a video about this back in May...
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Post by Adam on Sept 14, 2014 15:28:45 GMT
I'm guilty of this to an extent. I will drive the sidewalk before turns to get a better line (last night GP track is probably the best example I can think of just before you turn right passing the scrapyard towards the helipad) and also maybe take some sidewalk on the turn exit too in order to carry more speed. I don't drive entire sidewalks though and never dive towards them as the risk isn't worth it if you hit something, and the fact you may knock poles into the road etc ruining other peoples races.
More than happy to agree we stop doing this if it's such a big problem, though I haven't actually come across anyone in RRR who does this to even half of what some other crews use it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:34:37 GMT
Ok... WTF?!? So i basically posted about this on R* support page. Telling them about this issue. It was short and to the point.. That driving over curbs and side walks gives huge speed boosts and can effect racing in the city. Nothing offensive at all. Next thing i know they deleted the post... and banned me from posting again on their support page. Dauk? Im taking this as R* loves curb hoping and side walk surfin'. lol... EDIT. R* support is just filled with morons. They thought i was trying to spread information on how to cheat. glitch or mod. "As R does not support that* as they told me in a email. LOL!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:36:07 GMT
I thought he already did.... . Maybe it was done by someone else, but i remember a video about this back in May... I don't know i don't really watch them, all a bit me me me nowadays. I know Gun1t did one a while ago
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 19:36:04 GMT
That's the sort of stuff I love about gta racing, trying to find the slight edges to give yourself the advantage. My opinion is if people want to do it then let them, but if they crash into someone while darting from one side to the track to the other in complete disregard, then chances are they are from NODO anyway.
But I think I've only played gta once this week, I think my flame is burnt out on it. Every time I think I'll have a race, I'll load up netflix or iPlayer instead. Like luap, I think need a new game to play for a while.
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Post by Cuz05 on Sept 14, 2014 20:02:00 GMT
Agree with just about everything but tbh, given everyone's opinion, it doesn't seem a major issue. The vast majority of us only use it as part of a racing line and if we only get the odd surfer here and there, it's not gonna make a big difference. Gentleman's agreement seems like it's already in place. One thing that does occur to me is the difference between RRR and other race crews. Our priorities in racing are fun, freedom and fairness. Character is a much bigger factor for us than speed and competition takes a back seat to simply all getting along and having a laugh. If we worry too much about how people are taking the road then we have to watch we're not starting to limit the freedom of our drivers and move away from what sets us apart. I don't think that really applies to this discussion but hey, I thought it, I typed it. Whatevs. F. F. F. FTW. Peace out.
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Post by emptyplayer on Sept 14, 2014 22:03:03 GMT
If you're on a straight and there's a kerb to quickly get a kick off, use it. Do you mean getting a kick out of the corner? or clipping kerb's on straights when there's no danger to anyone in the road? That's the same as actively hitting them ain't it? I'm cool with whatever just want to make sure i'm racing the same as everyone else
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 4:05:34 GMT
Ask those who agreed with me
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Post by Dam351 on Sept 15, 2014 7:50:02 GMT
I didn't know that this happened. I've always felt that 4 wheels contacting the road is faster. Like with the kerb near scrapyard on GP round 2 track I would use as much road to corner as when I tried the wider entry from the footpath my car usually would kick out slightly and depending on throttle it could slide and lose speed. But the inside curb on 3 of the 4 corners before the railway line was a faster line for me compared with using the road. So idk. When I make a track if I can block a curb (& usually save a light post too) I will. Pork hole circuit an example. So I guess I'd I'm a roadie on most trax
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 8:30:20 GMT
I didn't know that this happened. I've always felt that 4 wheels contacting the road is faster. Like with the kerb near scrapyard on GP round 2 track I would use as much road to corner as when I tried the wider entry from the footpath my car usually would kick out slightly and depending on throttle it could slide and lose speed. But the inside curb on 3 of the 4 corners before the railway line was a faster line for me compared with using the road. So idk. When I make a track if I can block a curb (& usually save a light post too) I will. Pork hole circuit an example. So I guess I'd I'm a roadie on most trax Yeah, that's a risk if you're using High Ends, but with Off Road wheels you just glide right on and off them curbs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 9:55:24 GMT
That's the sort of stuff I love about gta racing, trying to find the slight edges to give yourself the advantage. My opinion is if people want to do it then let them, but if they crash into someone while darting from one side to the track to the other in complete disregard, then chances are they are from NODO anyway. LOL @ensyyy @bebbo weren't you guys in NODO once??
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Post by Dam351 on Sept 15, 2014 10:05:57 GMT
Ok thanks mate I heard about that but I tested a few tracks and couldn't find any real difference. Also I thought that with (opposite senario) high end wheels on my buggy it should be worse on off road trax but its pretty quick still in WR comparison. Those why I thought it didn't make noticeable difference. But a lot of people have off road rims on sports n supers. I need to re visit tests more thoroughly. Thx fachuro
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:10:23 GMT
Theres really no difference in speed and traction between off road and high end, its just that curbs and bumps don't unsettle the car with offroad so ur ride is more stable and therefore fractions quicker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:26:43 GMT
That's the sort of stuff I love about gta racing, trying to find the slight edges to give yourself the advantage. The problem for me tho.. Is races in the city are turning into who can hit the most curbs/side walks instead of who can handle the actual road better. And to me thats backwards. If the curbs/side walks didn't actually give a speed boost then this would not be such a huge problem. If anything R* should fix it so hitting curbs or driving down side walks slow down the cars, not speed them up. I would not mind a rule where everyone just makes the choice not to use them constantly. For new players or those who do not know about this, they will think players are cheating. And once they do know about this they will probably form two opinions. They will either join the side walk surfing side OR get annoyed by it and get turned off from racing in general. Even these past few weeks i find myself side walk surfing alot more then i ever would have. And it just seems wrong. But this side walk and curb surfing stuff has really made me start enjoying races north of LS. Thats for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:41:02 GMT
If you're on a straight and there's a kerb to quickly get a kick off, use it. Do you mean getting a kick out of the corner? or clipping kerb's on straights when there's no danger to anyone in the road? That's the same as actively hitting them ain't it? I'm cool with whatever just want to make sure i'm racing the same as everyone else Ask those who agreed with me My opinion on this is if it is in your line then I don't care. If you are weaving all over trying to hit every curb and sidewalk then that is a no-no. If you are endangering others (wrecks, pole slicing, etc.) to try to hit it (even in your line) that is a no-no.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:50:14 GMT
I'm with you on this Voodu, hitting curbs shouldn't give a speed boost but should slow you down, like when you roll over grass (which you and me both like ), but that still wouldn't solve the problem of sidewalk surfing to get a better angle before a turn. The only way to solve that is blocking the sidewalk with prop placing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:10:59 GMT
I'm with you on this Voodu, hitting curbs shouldn't give a speed boost but should slow you down, like when you roll over grass (which you and me both like ), but that still wouldn't solve the problem of sidewalk surfing to get a better angle before a turn. The only way to solve that is blocking the sidewalk with prop placing. lol.. Ya i hate people driving down side walks constantly.. I place random and sometimes hidden props on side walks to mess players up on my tracks. Even tho some people might not like it due to the fact i kind of hide it. I see it as a way to effect them mentally. Just having them crash a few times into hidden props on the curbs will no doubt stick in their minds when racing other user created tracks. If i can make them second guess driving down side walks then my work is done...lol Thing is tho, when players are driving down the side walk for a few blocks and then using a better angle they are getting a 2 for 1 deal. They get the speed boosts from the curbs and side walk bumping and the better turning line. Which they also get a boost off of when they exit the turn. Or the other problem, which is players bobbing around the road trying to soak up as many curbs and side walks as possible. Which is what im starting to see now on the daily. Sadly, im been having alot more fun racing with randoms the last few days.. Sure they mostly try to wreck me every chance they get while `catch up` constantly slows me down. But at least im not falling asleep due to not being able to hit enough curbs to keep up with everyone OR wiping out trying to catch up. I mean its not always that bad.... But for the most part it is.
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Post by nittydon on Sept 15, 2014 17:49:29 GMT
Pavement driving is as Trak put it rude, think I posted that somewhere on this forum months ago, see I do make serious posts now & then !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:56:46 GMT
GTAO racing is evolving into it, if it hasn't already, the wheels are definitely in motion (hey hey)
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