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Post by Dam351 on Sept 17, 2014 7:23:49 GMT
I think if someone 'accidentally' knocks down a light pole thats accidental. But if they/me continually knock em down, especially the same poles every lap that's rudely rude rudeness. I'm guessing the gap to cars behind makes a difference too, maybe its around 30 seconds for a downed pole to disappear from the road, therefore not being as rude.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 14:45:52 GMT
I think if someone 'accidentally' knocks down a light pole thats accidental. But if they/me continually knock em down, especially the same poles every lap that's rudely rude rudeness. I'm guessing the gap to cars behind makes a difference too, maybe its around 30 seconds for a downed pole to disappear from the road, therefore not being as rude. I don't know, whenever I knock something down it's usually in the same spot. Because those spots are where those accidents are most likely to happen, and where I most often make mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 14:58:48 GMT
To hit a pole once is chance, to hit the same pole twice is fate, to hit it a third time is enemy action. Just messin and manglin a James Bond quote badly..........
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Post by nittydon on Sept 17, 2014 16:06:01 GMT
I think the accidental poles where someone has misjudged a corner is not the issue, it's the mess people make who actively seek pavements to drive on.
I really don't understand why someone would when the car is at max speed ? as far as I know it gives you an acceleration boost not a top speed one ? maybe I'm wrong ?
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Post by emptyplayer on Sept 17, 2014 16:30:06 GMT
I think the accidental poles where someone has misjudged a corner is not the issue, it's the mess people make who actively seek pavements to drive on. I really don't understand why someone would when the car is at max speed ? as far as I know it gives you an acceleration boost not a top speed one ? maybe I'm wrong ? Yes and no. Gunit believes it does increase too speed but I don't see any evidence of it. What i think it does do though is maintains the top speed a lot better. There's a few straights in gta where I've heard my revs drop and loss of top speed for no apparent reason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 17:17:05 GMT
I think the accidental poles where someone has misjudged a corner is not the issue, it's the mess people make who actively seek pavements to drive on. I really don't understand why someone would when the car is at max speed ? as far as I know it gives you an acceleration boost not a top speed one ? maybe I'm wrong ? All I know is when I tested it with Grassygrishnak my Sultan would outrun his Massacro on the straights on one of my tracks where you hit top speed before you're halfway. So I'm pretty sure it helps you break the top speed cap as well. And the last gear changes are really slow as well, so even when you might think you're going at max speed you aren't necessarily doing so.
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Post by Dam351 on Sept 17, 2014 17:33:43 GMT
I think if someone 'accidentally' knocks down a light pole thats accidental. But if they/me continually knock em down, especially the same poles every lap that's rudely rude rudeness. I'm guessing the gap to cars behind makes a difference too, maybe its around 30 seconds for a downed pole to disappear from the road, therefore not being as rude. I don't know, whenever I knock something down it's usually in the same spot. Because those spots are where those accidents are most likely to happen, and where I most often make mistakes. i should have added i was talking of tracks that we know. Obviously if its unknown or has been a long time between racing it, its understandable. So I do understand what your saying fachuro and i agree but i'd also add if we're making mistakes lap after lap, then that would mean that we still don't know the track properly, because when we do have it memorised, we'd don't keep crashing at the accident black spot of the track.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 17:55:22 GMT
I don't know, whenever I knock something down it's usually in the same spot. Because those spots are where those accidents are most likely to happen, and where I most often make mistakes. i should have added i was talking of tracks that we know. Obviously if its unknown or has been a long time between racing it, its understandable. So I do understand what your saying fachuro and i agree but i'd also add if we're making mistakes lap after lap, then that would mean that we still don't know the track properly, because when we do have it memorised, we'd don't keep crashing at the accident black spot of the track. Now always. That really depends on the track. Most tracks have some kind of crux or a few critical points where the margins of error are incredibly small, and in those spots I often find myself making the same mistake over and over even if I know about it. Simply because it's not possible to always be on your A-game, and some days you just make more mistakes then others. For example, on one of my own tracks, "The Symphonist". There is one turn that whilst being really wide is always tricky because of a high entry speed on the fastest line. If I push it just a little too hard, because of my consistency in my lines, I get a little understeer and end up hitting the same light pole every time. It's not an issue of curb riding, or cutting corners. It's an issue of margins. The better you get on a track, your lines become more marginal, and smaller mistakes have bigger effect. So in other words the issue at hand is the complete opposite, that I know the track too well and push it just too hard around the corner. There is no intentional mistake, it's just a smaller margin for error and a difference in focus from day to day. Being new on the track you would probably never experience that issue, as you wouldn't know just how far you could push the limits around the corner and take it overly cautious instead. I'll take full responsibility of that happening because I'm pushing it too hard, but the statement that it's intentional I think is just plain wrong. The intention is always to stay on the road and not hit anything, yet accidents does happen more often at the critical points of a track then outside of those points. So if someone hits the same pole over and over, it could just mean that it's one of the critical points of the track. It's still accidental, and not rude in any way. Being rude implies that it's done intentionally.
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Post by Cuz05 on Sept 17, 2014 19:36:23 GMT
Not meaning to presume too much but if I kept hitting the same object in non solo racing, I would habitually ease off at that point.
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Post by Dam351 on Sept 17, 2014 20:13:49 GMT
I can understand pushing hard u may strike the pole fachuro, and I'm not accusing you of anything. I can understand somebody hitting it again the next lap from pushing too hard, maybe the next lap theres a bump in the road which caused the wrong line. Thats just racing. But if I've done 100 laps, knocking the pole on every lap, I can't be pushing hard every time. If u were behind me each lap I think u may consider it rude that I keep downing them lap after lap, especially if you'd crashed several times because of my over overzealous driving. Maybe you'd wonder if I did it on purpose if you crash, but then caught up again (clearly being quicker than me) by the next lap, where I have downed another pole and u crash on it again. This is where my thoughts were, not with someone squeezing the most out of the car.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 20:57:23 GMT
This whole conversation has got me so conscious I feel guilty if I even barely touch a curb or sidewalk now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:05:27 GMT
I can understand pushing hard u may strike the pole fachuro, and I'm not accusing you of anything. I can understand somebody hitting it again the next lap from pushing too hard, maybe the next lap theres a bump in the road which caused the wrong line. Thats just racing. But if I've done 100 laps, knocking the pole on every lap, I can't be pushing hard every time. If u were behind me each lap I think u may consider it rude that I keep downing them lap after lap, especially if you'd crashed several times because of my over overzealous driving. Maybe you'd wonder if I did it on purpose if you crash, but then caught up again (clearly being quicker than me) by the next lap, where I have downed another pole and u crash on it again. This is where my thoughts were, not with someone squeezing the most out of the car. Yeah, I'm not saying that I wouldn't be responsible for my own mistakes. My point was rather that it's an easier said then done kinda thing though. Some days it's easy to make that thought and actually ease off the gas, whilst other days you'll just be trying to hard and screw it up every single lap simply because it's a hard spot in the course, and you're trying too hard to keep up with the competition. Noone is on their A-game every day, and sadly in GTA on a lot of tracks that can mean poles and signs being knocked down. I don't think we should be calling people rude for doing so though, as then you're kinda saying they do it intentionally, which in turn is rude when they're not. And you'll have a whole big argument on your hand about who had the right to get pissed off or whatever. I think it's more likely if someone keeps knocking down poles all over the place, and are constantly going out of their way to hit them, that it is on purpose. If it's the same spot every time I'd just assume there is something with the spot and not the player that makes the pole go down time after time. Cuz05 : That's what I mean by it being my responsibility if I do so. However, as said above, habitually easing off in that spot can sometimes be easier said then done when you're holding a high pace. Especially on more technical tracks where there's a lot to remember. Then focusing too much on easing off at that one spot could easily cause you to forget something else important. That should of course not mean that the people behind you aren't allowed to get frustrated, that's why it's important IMO to atleast say sorry if you do. Other then that it's something that happens to everyone, everyone have their nemesis tracks that always get them, and their bad days on the track.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 23:03:29 GMT
According to a certain crew leader "pavement surfing" is an "art form" Tf. So happily, it is certainly way beyond the capabilities of us mere road following sheep to understand or apply with any success. I hate to be the one to break it to you Tf but you have absolutely no talent whatsoever for cheatery in any way, shape or form so I don't think you need worry your avatars pretty little ginger head any further regarding it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 0:03:37 GMT
According to a certain crew leader "pavement surfing" is an "art form" Tf. So happily, it is certainly way beyond the capabilities of us mere road following sheep to understand or apply with any success. I hate to be the one to break it to you Tf but you have absolutely no talent whatsoever for cheatery in any way, shape or form so I don't think you need worry your avatars pretty little ginger head any further regarding it. That's taking it a bit far I think. Doing it cleanly and perfectly is of course an art form, it's incredibly hard to get right and perfect so I have all sorts of respects for those who do manage to perfect it. The deserve their credit. It is however NOT racing... It could be argued it is GTA racing, as it's a feature in GTA. But personally I have more then enough perfecting the art form of normal racing, using the streets and consider it a much more galant art form. However, GTA is GTA and if R* decides to leave pavement surfing in, it's a part of the game and that's something I think we should be able to at least accept. Or we could just go play Forza or GT6, where pavement surfing is NOT a part of the game. Accepting it as a part of the game is no more then accepting for example golf or tennis as part of game, it doesn't mean we have to do it... I don't think Dav meant we should all of a sudden go on a rage or rant towards anyone using sidewalks to get speedboosts when they are undoubtedly a part of the game... That would be, as Dav said to me earlier, not very gentlemanly, and our creed is to be gentlemen, is it not?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 0:07:04 GMT
I'm so glad I stumbled on this thread and found that Apex isn't the only crew with this view on curbsurfers. Before I go any further, I'll link our upcoming Crew vs. crew with NODO, it starts to get tasty on page 4: nodo.freeforums.net/thread/619/ps3-nodo-apex?page=4To be fair to a couple of them they say they only use the curbss as an extension of the racing line, which given the nature of GTA I can get on board with as I'm sure we've all found an exotic line through a corner that threads the needle between a lampost or two. Then a few of them get angry about us asking them to not do it down straights as it takes away from the racing and becomes more of a who can get to the nearest pavement the quickest contest. This is really nothing, the reaction in their skype chat was out of this world and closely resembled children having their safety blankets taken away. Given that Broughy backed our stance, I was quite surprised by the backlash. I think it's a really positive stance to proactively ask people to not abuse what is effectively a flaw in the game, we certainly do it on our end so it's nice to see this view is shared by other race crews. You're always going to get the odd one that still does it but in my experience half of them don't know the actual benefit they just see the youtubers doing it and copy them! Anyway before I go on a massive rant on the ethics of racing in GTA, what's everyone's position on using offroad tires even though they look ugly as? I use Tuners myself as a happy medium between looks and absorbing the bumps but was quite shocked to see Cuz using offroads on a Banshee no less!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 1:44:12 GMT
According to a certain crew leader "pavement surfing" is an "art form" Tf. So happily, it is certainly way beyond the capabilities of us mere road following sheep to understand or apply with any success. I hate to be the one to break it to you Tf but you have absolutely no talent whatsoever for cheatery in any way, shape or form so I don't think you need worry your avatars pretty little ginger head any further regarding it. I'm so glad I stumbled on this thread and found that Apex isn't the only crew with this view on curbsurfers. Before I go any further, I'll link our upcoming Crew vs. crew with NODO, it starts to get tasty on page 4: nodo.freeforums.net/thread/619/ps3-nodo-apex?page=4To be fair to a couple of them they say they only use the curbss as an extension of the racing line, which given the nature of GTA I can get on board with as I'm sure we've all found an exotic line through a corner that threads the needle between a lampost or two. Then a few of them get angry about us asking them to not do it down straights as it takes away from the racing and becomes more of a who can get to the nearest pavement the quickest contest. This is really nothing, the reaction in their skype chat was out of this world and closely resembled children having their safety blankets taken away. Given that Broughy backed our stance, I was quite surprised by the backlash. I think it's a really positive stance to proactively ask people to not abuse what is effectively a flaw in the game, we certainly do it on our end so it's nice to see this view is shared by other race crews. You're always going to get the odd one that still does it but in my experience half of them don't know the actual benefit they just see the youtubers doing it and copy them! Anyway before I go on a massive rant on the ethics of racing in GTA, what's everyone's position on using offroad tires even though they look ugly as? I use Tuners myself as a happy medium between looks and absorbing the bumps but was quite shocked to see Cuz using offroads on a Banshee no less! @traksta1 Thanks man! I really appreciate that!! @rodgerzzz I have used Off road tires and to me they do seem to help the grip. I have made the switch to tuners also. I like the look better and I believe I still get the same grip. I know many think that they are a placebo effect, and maybe they are, but if in my mind I'm going to stick that corner and then I do then in effect they are working! Anyway I have no qualms about anybody using any tire/wheel combo they desire. IRL tires will make a difference and if in GTA offroad and tuners are the slicks of the racing world then so be it.
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Post by Cuz05 on Sept 18, 2014 5:24:48 GMT
quite shocked to see Cuz using offroads on a Banshee no less! They look beast on my beast!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 6:15:41 GMT
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Post by Cuz05 on Sept 18, 2014 9:23:33 GMT
That works on so many levels...
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Post by emptyplayer on Sept 18, 2014 11:55:03 GMT
This whole conversation has got me so conscious I feel guilty if I even barely touch a curb or sidewalk now. This ^^. It totally puts me off my driving.
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Post by Davexen on Sept 18, 2014 12:06:51 GMT
This whole conversation has got me so conscious I feel guilty if I even barely touch a curb or sidewalk now. This ^^. It totally puts me off my driving. It shouldn't mate, we're not the curb police. If a curb is in your line, take it. The point is just to not take lines that are illogical but are faster just because of curbs, like taking the sidewalk instead of the road on a long straight.
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Post by fnord on Sept 18, 2014 12:17:40 GMT
loool calling all kerb police, calling all kerb police, alert all agents immediately!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:53:49 GMT
My Opinion on Dirt Tyres on Road Cars. As in real world, high profile tyres in-game equals softer, less "edgy" ride with a less direct feel to steering input. Through my controller it makes my Carbonizarre feel as if it's running semi flat tyres. Don't like that, even though I have seen and measured the benefit to lap times and consistency that it brings to the party. Mostly looks rubbish too. Don't like that either. Let's all extract the urine from chradder owners but big fat fugly knobblies on a Zentorno is kewl cos its faster right? . There's more lap time to be had from sidewalk-surfing and more advantage to be had from super-boost starting than using Dirt-tyres imho and since I have no intention or interest in being competitive in the new emerging sport of GTA pavement time trialling/lamp-post chopping, I chose not . Personally, I would feel as stupid as someone who puts a wing on a family saloon thinking that they will get to work sooner should . Unlike the speed glitch hunting we were previously discussing though, could'nt care less what others do .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 13:14:03 GMT
''Let's all extract the urine from chradder owners but big fat fugly knobblies on a Zentorno is kewl cos its faster right? .'' You really must stop talking sense Trak
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 13:25:40 GMT
loool calling all kerb police, calling all kerb police, alert all agents immediately! Whoo woo woo woo Ello ello ello we'vehad a call can you show us where they were driving please
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Post by Cuz05 on Sept 18, 2014 13:47:56 GMT
The dirt tyres are just the latest in a long series of placebos I'm applying to the Banshee, after ride height and multiple spoiler changes. I'm hoping their effect is cumulative and I'll reach some sort of placebo nirvana. You won't notice this but I'm going to start wearing my son's specs to recreate speed blur and at some point I'll add shouting NNYYYEEOOOWWW as I accelerate to the mix. You may notice a distinct pattern of improvement in my lap times but that might just be your imagination.
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Post by fnord on Sept 18, 2014 14:28:04 GMT
loool calling all kerb police, calling all kerb police, alert all agents immediately! Whoo woo woo woo Ello ello ello we'vehad a call can you show us where they were driving please WOW. We must give this professor of kerbology an honorary membership ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 14:47:40 GMT
Yeah using dirt tires on race cars and going down curbs is 'unrealistic' in the real world, but it's gta and also a game. If you want the real world, turn off your console and go out doors lol.
If you want to win and race competitively against other competitive racers, you have to keep with the times. Realistic and gta are two words that should never be used in the same sentence. Using curbs is within the boundaries of the race and not using them to your advantage but moaning when others do is madness.
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If you are not using the fastest way then who's fault is that if other people are and being faster. Realism has nothing to do with anything when you are driving to how R* have created THEIR world.
Why would you want real life when playing a game anyway, I play games because real life gets boring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:13:02 GMT
Yeah using dirt tires on race cars and going down curbs is 'unrealistic' in the real world, but it's gta and also a game. If you want the real world, turn off your console and go out doors lol. If you want to win and race competitively against other competitive racers, you have to keep with the times. Realistic and gta are two words that should never be used in the same sentence. Using curbs is within the boundaries of the race and not using them to your advantage but moaning when others do is madness. ------------------------------ "Race" definition: NOUN A competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course. ----------------------------- If you are not using the fastest way then who's fault is that if other people are and being faster. Realism has nothing to do with anything when you are driving to how R* have created THEIR world. Why would you want real life when playing a game anyway, I play games because real life gets boring. I agree with all of this. When i say 'kerbin is baaad' i mean within the crew. There's a reason RACE always race non contact, you can't wrestle for position and overtake each other on the pavement. That doesn't mean it's wrong though, that's how they choose to play the game and people join the crew because they like to play that way, and RACE are also very good at it. If i wanted to race like that i would join a crew who raced like that, my point was we need to decide a stance on it now before every new members is a kerb surfer calling us fags because we phoned the kerb police. Some people may just be looking for a crew who don't want to kerb surf for any little advantage they can get, i'd join that one myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 12:13:59 GMT
not using curbs is like not wheeling while racing bikes.
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