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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 17, 2014 18:49:31 GMT
Below are the hard stats for the new cars and how they rank (purely by stats) with the other cars in their respective class -
(MUSCLE) Vapid Blade - 2nd in SPD (down slightly to the #1 SPD Buccaneer / tied with the #2 SPD Dominator / Gauntlet / Phoenix / Ruiner), 1st in ACC (up by a decent amount to the #2 ACC Gauntlet / Hotknife), 2nd in BRK (down slightly to the #1 BRK Gauntlet), & 4th in HDL (down slightly to the #1 HDL Gauntlet)
(SPORTS CLASSIC) Lampadati Pigalle - 3rd in SPD (down slightly to the #1 SPD Monroe / JB 700), 3rd in ACC (down a bit to the #1 ACC Monroe), 1st in BRK (up by a lot to the #2 BRK Monroe), 1st in HDL (up by a bit to the #2 HDL Monroe)
(SEDAN) Benefactor Glendale - 1st in SPD (up slightly to the #2 SPD Asea / Asterope / Fugitive / Intruder / Premier / Schafter / Super Diamond / Tailgator), 3rd in ACC (down a lot to the #1 ACC Super Diamond), 11th in BRK (down a lot to the #1 BRK Warrener), 14th in HDL (down a bunch to the #1 HDL Tailgater)
(SEDAN) Vulcar Warrener - 10th in SPD (down slightly to the #1 SPD Glendale), #2 ACC (down a bit to the #1 ACC Super Diamond), #1 in BRK (up barely to the #2 BRK cars), 10th in HDL (down a lot to the #1 HDL Tailgater)
(COMPACT) Benefactor Panto - 5th in SPD (down slightly to the #1 SPD Blista / Issi / Prairie), #1 in ACC (up a lot on the #2 ACC Blista / Issi / Rhapsody), #1 in BRK (all cars equal), #4 in HDL (down slightly to the #1 HDL Blista / Issi / Rhapsody)
(COMPACT) Declasse Rhapsody - 4th in SPD (down slightly to the #1 SPD Blista / Issi / Prairie), #2 in ACC (down a lot to the #1 ACC Panto), #1 in BRK (all cars equal), #1 in HDL (tied with Issi / Blista)
(OFF-ROAD) Benefactor Dubsta 6x6 - 1st in SPD (up slightly to the #2 SPD Bifta), 1st in ACC (up a bit to the #2 ACC Bifta), 9th in BRK (down a ton to the #1 BRK Bodhi), 7th in HDL (down a ton to the #1 HDL Blazer)
Vapid Blade 77.80 81.00 26.67 67.58
Lampadati Pigalle 79.95 66.25 28.33 71.52
Benefactor Glendale 78.87 58.75 21.67 62.12
Vulcar Warrener 75.12 61.25 31.67 65.45
Benefactor Panto 70.82 67.50 20.00 59.70
Declasse Rhapsody 71.36 57.50 20.00 62.12
Benefactor Dubsta 6x6 73.51 70.00 20.00 60.61
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Post by Davexen on Jun 17, 2014 19:33:51 GMT
Hm interesting. Seems the Blade is definitely a contender for the top spot. These stats don't tell the whole story though, Issi and Blista apparently are tied for the handling stat, but everyone who's driven them knows the Blista is much much easier to control due to the Issi's troubles in the corners. Though that's likely a different stat. I wonder how well the new Warrener, Blade and Dubsta will hold up in actual races. I hope the Dubsta will be a contender too. Thanks for the info mate!
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Post by LuapYllier on Jun 17, 2014 19:37:39 GMT
What does it all MEAN??!?!? lol
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 17, 2014 19:54:24 GMT
Davexen, you are absolutely right. I like to see the hard stats to have somewhat of a drawn line in the sand... then I use that as a spring board to test the cars that are 'worthy' and see what works best for me.
Luap, I have been trying to figure that out for some time now... LOL! I have a spreadsheet with all of the cars & their stats & how they relate to each other. I like to compare and see how the 'numbers' stack up against what most people say is the best or their favorite cars.
I've noticed that n00bs tend to go only for top speed, speedsters go for high speed & acceleration, and balanced/solid racers go for SPD/ACC/HDL. No one seems to care much about BRK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 20:08:06 GMT
It proves the stats mean nothing because the reason the Blade wipes the floor with the Gauntlet is obviously traction not acceleration. It feels the same as the Elegy to drive.
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Post by Davexen on Jun 17, 2014 20:14:21 GMT
Yea the traction stat is very important since it decides how much speed you can carry through corners. Unfortunately it's invisible lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 20:16:09 GMT
What is the handling stat if it's not traction?
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Post by Cuz05 on Jun 17, 2014 20:31:53 GMT
Handling stat has go to be traction and must be weighted towards it. No question the 9F has more responsive steering than the Elegy but that fucker has no traction. Elegys handling stat destroys the 9Fs. Shame the Blade is that powerful, gagging for a new muscle car but having a stand out car in a class is always a bit boring.
I just wish the Rhapsody was more of a contender compared to the Panto. RWD so it'll probably get rinsed by the Blista in corners too. I ain't driving a Smart car around but I am having a new compact.
Really interested to see how the Warrener turns out on the track compared to the others. Gonna look very right as a rally car, however it runs.
All in all, a great update for new cars.... if the Blade weren't quite so OP...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 20:49:37 GMT
The Blade is quality though, you had a chance to try it yet?
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Post by coach_wargo on Jun 17, 2014 21:01:51 GMT
It kind of sucks that the Blade is that much faster than everything else. That was my favorite class because of the balance between the Gauntlet, Dominator, and Ruiner. Plus the fact that not old muscle handles worth a lick. A Falcon will smoke the 1/4 mile, but good luck turning a corner with it.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 17, 2014 21:52:20 GMT
Again, I haven't raced yet, but in my experience - I don't think that the 8 point lower handling of the Blade to the Gauntlet will be as noticeable as the 8 point increased acceleration. Comparatively that's like the difference in ACC between the Carbonizzare & the Fusilade. While the handling difference is like the Feltzer to the Carbonizzare.
I also think that the handling stat is meant to illustrate how much it 'sticks' to the ground. That's not to say it handles better or worse... because that would be up to the player's skill/ability/familiarity with the vehicle.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 17, 2014 21:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 22:55:48 GMT
You'll see when you drive it. It's a bigger difference than Feltzer to Carb'zz lol Corners you have to at least let off the acceleration a little bit to take smooth with the Gauntlet you can throw the Blade around easily.
I've only raced it on the Vinewood Hills flowing roads though, might be a different story on tight corner to corner tracks. Although that's probably where the better acceleration will show more
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Post by refuso on Jun 18, 2014 9:33:06 GMT
I haven't clicked on that file Cloud because I'm scared to download things but I guess it's like this: docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AlUQhOXwk9_ndDNQX3dfbC1KTjAtY2J3QVN6QVFCVlEHas info like car mass and various traction stats. It doesn't have many/any new cars though so I never posted about it Dubsta 6x6 is first in SPD and ACC? I had a drag race against Michael in one yesterday in my Bifta and the Bifta won by quite a few seconds. Both fully upgraded AFAIK. Maybe the Bifta gets a better boost from the upgrades? Or maybe it's just lighter so goes quicker?
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 14:05:58 GMT
Refuso, I can email it to you if you'd like. It's just an .XLSX file with no VBscript... so no possibility of any malware/virus activation (you have to have an executed file/script for that). I don't cover all of the stats in that spreadsheet because I frankly have no clue what they all do/mean. I simply look at the stats you can see on the Social Club page and/or in game when racing (the bar graphs). I have those in number/% form and then compare/contrast based off of that. I've set my spreadsheet up with some vlookup, rank, max, min, & index formulas to basically look at the same data from many different angles and see if I can find some sort of common trend.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 14:17:16 GMT
Comparing the Dubsta 6x6 & Bifta - MAKE / MODEL
| SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | BF BIFTA | 72.97 | 65.00 | 23.33 | 62.12 | DUBSTA 6x6 | 73.51 | 70.00 | 20.00 | 60.61 | |
Dubsta has a VERY slight increase in SPD and a bit more significant increase in ACC, but the Bifta has a little more in the BRK & HDL categories. Based on how tight these numbers are, I would expect their times to be very close and it would probably come down to ACC/HDL depending on the track & the driver. As far as a drag race is concerned... I would expect the Dubsta 6x6 to get up and going faster and hit a higher top speed than the Bifta, but if weight plays a factor here... then I would expect the Bifta to win. I'm now curious what the weight difference is...
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Post by LuapYllier on Jun 18, 2014 16:12:14 GMT
Where do you get these stats from?
So what is the true bottom line here? Not statistics but behind the wheel...which of these new rides would be considered best in class and what vehicle in their respective class do they drive similar to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 17:02:42 GMT
The Blade really seems to edge out the rest based on racing last night. I was in my usual gauntlet racing against two dominators and two blades. Finished second with the blades coming in 1st and 3rd then the dominators 4th and 5th. Of course this is dependent on the drivers skill but it forced me to purchase a blade and fully customize it. Ill be putting it to the test tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 17:40:24 GMT
That wall of text is so hard to read lol - has anyone tried the glendale yet? Screw stats!
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 17:56:23 GMT
Where do you get these stats from? So what is the true bottom line here? Not statistics but behind the wheel...which of these new rides would be considered best in class and what vehicle in their respective class do they drive similar to. The Rockstar Social Club page which shows each vehicle by class. I pull the code from the site (the numbers behind the graphs you see) and then dumb into a txt doc. I then take that and break out in excel and add all my formulas. Stats only get you so far. Ideally you want a car that is top SPD, top ACC, good BRK, & top HDL.. but in almost every class there is no car that meets all of these standards... so it then becomes a balancing act of what you (as the driver) prefer and what you can do with the car.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 18:14:08 GMT
That wall of text is so hard to read lol - has anyone tried the glendale yet? Screw stats! Let me make it a little easier for you. Like I just mentioned to Luap, stats have their place. There is no sense (racing-wise) in even considering certain cars because they just don't meet the necessary standard to be competitive. There are also some cars that are just heads & tails better than other cars and the stats show that. The problem lies in the cars that are all really close in stats... and thus where the balancing act comes in to play. My objective here is to simply share the stats that I keep/analyze on my end so you can easily see if these new cars are anywhere close to what you are currently racing... if so, then by all means spend the money and try them out... if they are nowhere close... then unless you have money to blow, why go for it? Here is a comparison of the 2 new Sedans with 2 of the more popular Sedans currently in game. As you can see there is not much difference in SPD (top speed), but ACC & HDL have some pretty big differences depending on the car you are looking at. The best SPD/ACC combination is the Super Diamond, but the trade-off is lower BRK/HDL capability. The car with the best HDL is the the Schafter, but it has low ACC. MAKE
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| SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Benefactor
| Glendale
| 78.87
| 58.75
| 21.67
| 62.12
| 1 | 3 | 11 | 14 | Vulcar
| Warrener
| 75.12
| 61.25
| 31.67
| 65.45
| 10 | 2 | 1 | 10 | Benefactor
| Schafter
| 77.80 | 50.00 | 30.00 | 77.27 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Enus | Super Diamond | 77.80 | 65.00 | 20.00 | 63.64 | 2 | 1 | 12 | 12 |
If you want to make it really simple... just tell me 2 cars and I will you show the differences (in stats).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 18:19:13 GMT
What does the Massacro look like compared to the Elegy, Jester and 9F?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 18:23:57 GMT
I gave it a run on dockyard with the new muscle - yeah it has some good traction but it wont turn.. I got 1:30 as fastest lap while my ruiner did 1:25 on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 18:27:57 GMT
That wall of text is so hard to read lol - has anyone tried the glendale yet? Screw stats! Let me make it a little easier for you. Like I just mentioned to Luap, stats have their place. There is no sense (racing-wise) in even considering certain cars because they just don't meet the necessary standard to be competitive. There are also some cars that are just heads & tails better than other cars and the stats show that. The problem lies in the cars that are all really close in stats... and thus where the balancing act comes in to play. My objective here is to simply share the stats that I keep/analyze on my end so you can easily see if these new cars are anywhere close to what you are currently racing... if so, then by all means spend the money and try them out... if they are nowhere close... then unless you have money to blow, why go for it? Here is a comparison of the 2 new Sedans with 2 of the more popular Sedans currently in game. As you can see there is not much difference in SPD (top speed), but ACC & HDL have some pretty big differences depending on the car you are looking at. The best SPD/ACC combination is the Super Diamond, but the trade-off is lower BRK/HDL capability. The car with the best HDL is the the Schafter, but it has low ACC. MAKE
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| SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Benefactor
| Glendale
| 78.87
| 58.75
| 21.67
| 62.12
| 1 | 3 | 11 | 14 | Vulcar
| Warrener
| 75.12
| 61.25
| 31.67
| 65.45
| 10 | 2 | 1 | 10 | Benefactor
| Schafter
| 77.80 | 50.00 | 30.00 | 77.27 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Enus | Super Diamond | 77.80 | 65.00 | 20.00 | 63.64 | 2 | 1 | 12 | 12 |
If you want to make it really simple... just tell me 2 cars and I will you show the differences (in stats). lol the super diamonds has a better top speed - I dont think those stats are accurate to be honest
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Post by LuapYllier on Jun 18, 2014 18:50:12 GMT
Ok...I am a Shafter/Blista driver. Based on my ability to drive them they fit me best. Will either of the two new sedans or the new compact be of similar driving style andbeat those two cars? I hate to waste money and testing them in single player without actual races to clear traffic is nearly impossible.
I know I am getting the muscle car...
I am also looking to get a classic for my second and my first has the monroe so I am undecided between the ztype and the new one.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 20:25:26 GMT
What does the Massacro look like compared to the Elegy, Jester and 9F? MAKE | MODEL | SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Dewbauchee | Massacro
| 82.09
| 90.25
| 30.00
| 74.24
| 7 | 1 | 9 | 11 | Annis
| Elegy RH8
| 81.56
| 82.50
| 16.67
| 81.82
| 9 | 9 | 19 | 1 | Dinka
| Jester
| 84.78
| 75.00
| 31.67
| 77.27
| 1 | 14 | 7 | 5 | Obey
| 9F | 83.17
| 82.50
| 33.33
| 77.27
| 3 | 9 | 1 | 5 |
The Jester has the top speed but, as you can see, the speed difference between #1 & #9 (Elegy) is VERY minimal. The Massacro has a significant advantage in accleration over the Elegy & 9F. The Jester should be pretty weak with acceleration based on that number (equivalent to the Gauntlet). The Elegy has the #2 handling stat (behind the Entity) in all the classes. Since the speeds are all so close in the top sports cars, it really comes down to acceleration & handling.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 20:30:03 GMT
I gave it a run on dockyard with the new muscle - yeah it has some good traction but it wont turn.. I got 1:30 as fastest lap while my ruiner did 1:25 on it. That is interesting. If you purely look at stats, the Blade is better than the Ruiner in acceleration & handling, while matching it in top speed & braking. I have to wonder if your familiarity with the Ruiner plays a part in this or if the stats are wrong (from the SC site) or if there is more to this story.... MAKE | MODEL | SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Vapid | Blade | 77.80 | 81.00 | 26.67 | 67.58 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 4 | Imponte | Ruiner | 77.80 | 70.00 | 26.67 | 66.67 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 5 |
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 20:34:09 GMT
lol the super diamonds has a better top speed - I dont think those stats are accurate to be honest No worries. I am only good as the data I am provided. According to the stats the Glendale has the top speed in the Sedan class at 78.87, but then there are 8 cars with 77.80 top speed (Schafter, Tailgater, Asterope, Fugitive, Intruder, Super Diamond, Premier, & Asea). The Super Diamond has the top acceleration stat for this class at 65.00 with the next closest being the Warrener at 61.25 & Glendale at 58.75. The Stratum has 52.50, but after this there are 10 cars with 50.00.
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Post by CloudFuel on Jun 18, 2014 20:46:38 GMT
Ok...I am a Shafter/Blista driver. Based on my ability to drive them they fit me best. Will either of the two new sedans or the new compact be of similar driving style andbeat those two cars? I hate to waste money and testing them in single player without actual races to clear traffic is nearly impossible. I know I am getting the muscle car... I am also looking to get a classic for my second and my first has the monroe so I am undecided between the ztype and the new one. MAKE
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| SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Benefactor
| Schafter
| 77.80
| 50.00
| 30.00
| 77.27
| 2 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Benefactor
| Glendale
| 78.87
| 58.75
| 21.67
| 62.12
| 1 | 3 | 11 | 14 | Vulcar
| Warrener
| 75.12
| 61.25
| 31.67
| 65.45
| 10 | 2 | 1 | 10 |
MAKE | MODEL | SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Dinka
| Blista | 72.43 | 57.50 | 20.00 | 62.12 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Benefactor
| Panto | 70.82
| 67.50
| 20.00
| 59.70
| 5 | 1 | 1 | 4 | Declasse
| Rhapsody
| 71.36 | 57.50 | 20.00 | 62.12 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
MAKE | MODEL | SPD | ACC | BRK | HDL | SPD RANK | ACC RANK | BRK RANK | HDL RANK | Pegassi
| Monroe
| 80.48
| 70.00
| 21.67
| 66.67
| 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Truffade
| Z-Type
| 75.12
| 55.00
| 13.33
| 50.00
| 5 | 6 | 6 | 9 | Lampadati
| Pigalle
| 79.95
| 66.25
| 28.33
| 71.52
| 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 |
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Post by LuapYllier on Jun 18, 2014 21:29:46 GMT
Somehow I knew you were going to respond with that. I don't find a table of stats very helpful...but I do appreciate the effort in the reply.
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