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Post by coach_wargo on Aug 3, 2014 23:42:05 GMT
Does the spoiler make the back end of the Zion look better? The odd shaped trunk lid is what kept me from getting one. It would be nice to have a convertible that actually races well too. The Cognoscenti is beautiful, but I'm never going to win with it. It's pretty much good enough for a solid 3rd place every time . Is there any consensus pick for the sedan class? That's the one class I don't own anything in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 1:31:53 GMT
Shafter all the way. I love that car. Some say tailgater is good too but I've never driven one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 1:37:51 GMT
I have the Zion Cabio, you can still put a spoiler on it and im pretty sure it just as fast as the hard top. it wins alot of races.. Except against Ensyy and Baron, those two could beat me if i was in a super and they were om BMX's
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 1:41:47 GMT
Yeah Groper for sure. Ensy and Baron both make me work my nuts off trying to keep up. I am always white nuckled and pushing myself against them two. They are both great racers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 9:34:45 GMT
Well its not gonna win any beauty prizes but it does a good job, id say its only slightly down on top speed but abit more nimble around the corners.
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Post by Davexen on Aug 4, 2014 10:23:44 GMT
Shafter all the way. I love that car. Some say tailgater is good too but I've never driven one. Schafter mate. Though Gills did very well with a Warrener. But he haz dem Gillz Skillz. Edit: Uh I wanted to quote Coach but the quote button is on the top-right of the post instead of the bottom-right for some reason. 8)
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Post by Mo-seph on Aug 5, 2014 23:46:49 GMT
Anyone have any thoughts on the rhapsody in compacts, ive always used a blista but i couldnt resist a wayne world inspired blue rhapsody with flame decals :s i kinda like the rwd and it seems nimble, but not had a chance to race it yet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 0:32:44 GMT
Hey Mo i was wondering the same thing yesterday. So i did some digging and found that the Blista is still better but not by much. It has higher top speed and is a little tighter on corners but im telling you the diff is marginal. Both can work well in the right hands. I have the Raphosdy and prob will change back to the Blista just so i cant blame losing on the car. Haha
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Post by Mo-seph on Aug 6, 2014 8:03:49 GMT
Cheers grassy, from.a but of readin the hipster update thread the stats do seemto favour the blista, but that said i never really trust the stats as peoples styles vary... If its competative im eager tog etit out on the track and give it a proper test..on occasion ive been known to not always hace the fastest car in each class (mainly my damn sentinel, which im overly attached to) so not having the top ride doesnt bother me much. Im the type that races for the enjoyment of the drive, unfortunately that means losing sometines lol
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Post by nittydon on Aug 6, 2014 11:05:42 GMT
Blista/Panto/Rhapsody are all very close that I feel it comes down to driving skill and what the driver feels comfortable with Oracle (someone mentioned last page) I believe was 2nd best to Exemplar previously, it was about 6 months ago ! I own a fully modded one with 2nd character so if anyone wants me to test anything or have a drive of, just ask
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Post by Davexen on Aug 6, 2014 11:06:10 GMT
Mo, the Rhapsody and Panto are both competitive, along with the Blista. You can win races with any of them but since they're all so different it depends on your personal preference. I personally use the Rhapsody, I never liked the Blista and the Panto is too unreliable in the corners. Edit: Ooo Donny beat me by seconds, lol. Those magnificent minds really do think alike. 8)
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Post by nittydon on Aug 6, 2014 11:06:47 GMT
I own a Blista and Fnord and Dave regularly beat me with the Rhapsody's !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 11:58:34 GMT
The Pigalle (Citroen SM) seems to be winning a lot,the FWD takes some time getting used to but I love it. Muscle? Gotta be a Ruiner
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Post by Mo-seph on Aug 6, 2014 12:51:25 GMT
I own a Blista and Fnord and Dave regularly beat me with the Rhapsody's !! interesting, ill definitely give it a chance and see how it works out, i loved my blista but it was a bit tedious seeing 8 of them lined up in every compact race... i like that theres some uncertainty over "best in class" as it makes races that bit more diverse (some of you may have noticed i was using my turismo last night, now the hypes died down n all the "cool" kids have moved onto zentornos i felt safe taking it out of my garage)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 15:51:46 GMT
I currently have the rhapsody and it holds it own against the blista. I personally like the Blista better but there is to little diff to change back. Baron says hands down that the rhapsody is better and has proof. We will be racing them against each other tonight. Ill follow up later with results.
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Aug 6, 2014 17:02:54 GMT
The Pigalle (Citroen SM) seems to be winning a lot,the FWD takes some time getting used to but I love it. Muscle? Gotta be a Ruiner Hands down Ruiner is the best muscle The Blade is fast but handles like a boat. Dominator handles atrociously. Gauntlet isnt fast enough
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Post by Davexen on Aug 6, 2014 17:10:15 GMT
Guys, guys..
The fastest times on any muscle tracks are done with the Blade, except for extremely technical tracks. So far I've run across one single track where the Blade couldn't pass the Ruiner. It handles odd, I agree, it's not for everyone. But in the right hands the Blade is the fastest Muscle.
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Post by coach_wargo on Aug 6, 2014 18:27:43 GMT
Now that I have upgraded the Blade and Ruiner I'll finally be able to really test them. I'm kind of attached to my Richard Petty Guantlet though so I don't know if i'll be getting rid of it. I still think this is the most evenly match class across the board. Blade, Ruiner, Dominator, or Guantlet in a race it all comes down to the driver. In a TT the car matters more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 18:35:49 GMT
Guys, guys.. The fastest times on any muscle tracks are done with the Blade, except for extremely technical tracks. So far I've run across one single track where the Blade couldn't pass the Ruiner. It handles odd, I agree, it's not for everyone. But in the right hands the Blade is the fastest Muscle. It really depends on the track - which muscle tracks are you referring to?
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Post by Davexen on Aug 7, 2014 10:39:05 GMT
Guys, guys.. The fastest times on any muscle tracks are done with the Blade, except for extremely technical tracks. So far I've run across one single track where the Blade couldn't pass the Ruiner. It handles odd, I agree, it's not for everyone. But in the right hands the Blade is the fastest Muscle. It really depends on the track - which muscle tracks are you referring to? I'm referring to one track that I unfortunately don't know the name of.. I think it was made by Deej, a 0.62 track if I remember correctly. Anyway, Adm beat me there with his Ruiner. Not just because he's a fantastic racer (which he is, no doubt there), but the track was too technical to get close with a Blade. Too few straights to take advantage of the Blade's superior speed. But in 99% of the tracks the Blade will eventually win. But the thing is, its controls are unorthodox. If it fits you as a driver, great. If not, pick something else. Being comfortable with a Ruiner will land you much better lap times than being uncomfortable with a Blade. But the driver who's comfortable with the Blade will usually have an edge over those comfortable with the Ruiner. I can't drive a Panto, for example. I just can't get comfortable with it. So even on tracks where the Panto might be the better option I'll go with my Rhapsody. The Rhapsody fits me as a driver so I'll always do better with it than I will with a Panto. All I can say is give the Blade a shot. Try braking hard into corners, not just before a corner. We tend to brake first, take the corner after. With the Blade you have to brake while turning. But it may just not be for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable with the Blade, stick to the Ruiner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 11:17:57 GMT
Feel the same about the Panto (I still own one tho) Compacts is a difficult class for me, really have trouble finding one that suits me. Hope we get a bit more choice in future DLC, it seems to be the class with the least attention from R*.
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Post by Cuz05 on Aug 7, 2014 12:38:27 GMT
Yeah, I loathe the Blade. I need a forgiving car and I don't find that it is. It's got great traction and won't spin but that's coz the bastard won't turn enough to spin. You need to get your lines right with it and drive it like a train imo. The Dominator post spoiler update has been a bit of a revelation to me. Not actually had one before it but Gills did. He's a fast guy, as PS3 guys know, but muscle was his weakest class by some distance, driving a Ruiner or Dominator. Since the update he's been flying in the Dom, I got one and can see why, it's beastly. Still gonna come down to taste, it will spin out and probably will lose to a flawlessly driven Blade on most tracks but it's the best of the bunch for me personally and I've raced them all.
Compacts is between the Panto and Rhap from what I've seen. Blista is the car for consistency but the other 2 edge it for speed. Panto is a miraculous car in that it has horrible understeer but still spins out on a whim. Accelerates like nothing else in the class so will have a good shout on certain tracks but the Rhap has both speed and handling, it seems to pick up more wins than the other 2 and will sometimes leave them standing in the dust. All 3 are competitive with each other to some degree tho.
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Post by coach_wargo on Aug 7, 2014 14:14:58 GMT
Yeah, I loathe the Blade. I need a forgiving car and I don't find that it is. It's got great traction and won't spin but that's coz the bastard won't turn enough to spin. Panto is a miraculous car in that it has horrible understeer but still spins out on a whim. The Blade has horrible understeer, but it's sooo pretty. Totally agree about the Panto. It's a damn mystery: enter the corner, won't turn, won't turn, won't tu... 360. WTF!?!?
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Post by LuapYllier on Aug 7, 2014 15:45:16 GMT
The key to both the Panto and the Blade in corners is entry speed. They will not turn while braking. Must brake before turn and accelerate from mid turn. My best resultshave been coasting through first half of turn.
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Post by Davexen on Aug 7, 2014 20:52:38 GMT
It really depends on the track - which muscle tracks are you referring to? All I can say is give the Blade a shot. Try braking hard into corners, not just before a corner. We tend to brake first, take the corner after. With the Blade you have to brake while turning. But it may just not be for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable with the Blade, stick to the Ruiner. The key to both the Panto and the Blade in corners is entry speed. They will not turn while braking. Must brake before turn and accelerate from mid turn. My best resultshave been coasting through first half of turn. Lol we've given the exact opposite advice. It's probably best to just pick a tricky track with loads of nasty corners (PS3 guys, try Mirror Park Momentum) and run 10 laps to experiment with entry speed, racing lines, braking points. If you still hate the car after 10 laps, sticky bomb the fucker and find a Ruiner.
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Post by nittydon on Aug 8, 2014 11:58:06 GMT
Love the Blade, works for my race style, just hate it in the rain, whenever it's wet the Gaunlet comes back out !!
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Post by Davexen on Aug 8, 2014 19:18:37 GMT
Love the Blade, works for my race style, just hate it in the rain, whenever it's wet the Gaunlet comes back out !! That's not a bad idea at all.. I can't drive it in the rain either. Might look for a replacement in rain. Thank you.
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Post by deejayb1874 on Aug 8, 2014 23:47:37 GMT
Lol we've given the exact opposite advice. It's probably best to just pick a tricky track with loads of nasty corners (PS3 guys, try Mirror Park Momentum) and run 10 laps to experiment with entry speed, racing lines, braking points. If you still hate the car after 10 laps, sticky bomb the fucker and find a Ruiner. socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/jobs/job/WOGy4niXwUOLU9vpOAiXyw?platformId=1Mirror Park Momentum on Xbox.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 15:42:04 GMT
The key to both the Panto and the Blade in corners is entry speed. They will not turn while braking. Must brake before turn and accelerate from mid turn. My best resultshave been coasting through first half of turn. ^^This. You have to know the car differences and be willing to learn them to be able to compare the results as to which care is the better. However, as most players are used to a certain type of car it makes some of the good cars seem horrible because they take a long time to learn how to drive, and they're really different. The Panto and the Blade I believe are both FWD cars, which will naturally make them understeer alot. If you try driving them like a car that oversteers you will have a very bad time. I would say that both will be dominating their classes though once people learn to drive them properly. I believe the Schafter is still dominant for the Sedan class, but that might just be a similar effect where a different car is better, and people just haven't learned to drive it properly yet. You will of course however be able to build tracks that favour certain cars over others. The tailgater is also good, but it's not AS good as the Schafter. For coupes I'm being convinced I should give the zion a try as well, but I've noticed both the Zion and the Felon are pretty far ahead of any other coupe on most tracks. The whole Blista/Rhapsody/Panto discussion really comes down to what people are used to, I believe the Blista is beaten by both the others with drivers who knows those cars well enough and have bothered to learn how to drive them. But I also believe on compact tracks that the Panto will be the hands down best car. It dominates top speed, whilst the understeer makes it tricky in turns. Once you can master that understeer however the size of the car will allow the driver to take lines that you simply couldn't take with any other car that will make it more reminiscent of motorcycles, and that's what's going to make it a winner for anyone who learns to master it. I'm pretty sure you should be able to show mathematically that a smaller car can keep a higher average speed through any given turn then a bigger car, as it will always have more space available relative to it's own size. That's just a simple fact giving the Panto an advantage in turns, already having the advantage on straights this means it's only weakness is curbs, debris and lightpoles/signs that will affect a smaller car more then a bigger car. The only relevant point there for hotlapping however will be the curbs, and those can easily be negated by just timing a gas release/accelaration right. The understeer issue is also the reason why people hate the Pigalle, it is however without a doubt going to dominate sports classics on tracks that aren't straight forward freeway races where the top speed wins every time. So this leaves us with the main competition in the different classes atm being: Utility - Sadler Vans - Bison Compacts - Panto/Rhapsody Sedans - Schafter/Tailgater SUVs - Huntley Coupes - Felon/Zion/Zion Cabrio (NOT Felon GT!!!) Muscle - Blade/Ruiner Sports Classics - Pigalle Sports - Elegy/Massacro/Feltzer Super - Zentorno/Entity Motorcycles - Akuma/Bati (The understeer issue makes me think I need to test the Thrust more properly though) I'm not saying you wont be able to win in other cars agains't any of these cars, but that will usually be credit to yourself and your knowledge of your car compared to your opponent and his/her knowledge of his/her car, not the actual cars themselves. If you want to be able to perform best possible, you should be getting these cars and actually spend some time learning how to drive each individual car by hotlapping different tracks. Regardless, it's an individual decision. When you dominate in your Banshee however, don't claim that car to be the fastest but just accept the fact you're a much better driver then the rest of the field. ;-)
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Post by LuapYllier on Aug 11, 2014 16:07:35 GMT
In my opinion your missing some cars. i think the spoiler correction has gone a long way to balancing more cars at the top. The number of variables from track to track, car to car and driver to driver has made things a lot less "there can be only one".
For muscle you certainly need to add Dominator and Gauntlet. The Fugitive can hold its own in Sedans. Only the Elegy gives me heartburn when I run my Banshee. I havent switched up cars much recently but of the ones I own they all seem to have been brought into better ballance.
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