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Post by ToBContinued08 on Dec 19, 2013 6:28:09 GMT
It's a timeless discussion. Does the wheels/tires combos in LSC actually make a difference for handling, speed, acceleration, etc.?
The question in a broad is a hard one to answer. Some may notice a difference, others may not. Being that we can't run a track perfect every single time, its very hard to test to see if we actually gain/loss time.
I did a little test of my own. Keep in mind that every single lap was different. I tried to keep the same line but we all know its near impossible.
Testing Track- Vinewood Rum- 3 Laps Vehicle- Elegy- Fully Modded Tuner Wheels- 5:04:248/ 1:40:040- Boost Start Sport Wheels- 5:05:520/ 1:39:416- Boost Start Muscle Wheels- 5:00:984/ 1:38:600- Non Boost Start Highend Wheels- 5:02:536/ 1:39:912- Non Boost Start
Generally speaking, the times themselves are really close. But it amazes that Muscle turned out the fastest overall in 3 laps as well as fastest lap. Keep in mind this time counts for me missing the starting boost.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 7:15:34 GMT
It's very hard to say but when I had a wheel change yesterday I could have sworn I noticed a difference between Tuner and Sport. In Tuner and high end my Feltzer turned much quicker but was easier to lose control whereas the Sport seemed to have more grip but the turning was wider.
I remember awhile ago with the bifta I had put on some High-End wheels for it and noticed I had much more difficulty climbing hills than when I switched back to Off-Road.
So I'm going to go ahead and say Yes, although I'm not sure if it's a huge difference, just little subtleties, or I'm imagining it, it's hard to tell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 8:32:10 GMT
I ran some tests myself awhile back with off-road & sports wheels on tarmac. I don't have the data handy but there was no significant difference in my lap times with a good sample size. I'm pretty confident in that result, so I voted no. I haven't tested any other wheels quite as thoroughly though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:02:04 GMT
Someone on the GTAF forums did a test like this also, granted, this was two patches back but he found not difference in what wheels you put on your car. The minute time variances were contributed to just wheel spin for likely results.
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Post by ToBContinued08 on Dec 19, 2013 13:05:52 GMT
I have a feeling that's what mine was contributed too. Sometimes the slight rub of the guard rail, touch of dirt, etc.
The funny part is with the muscle tires, I did the most bumping, but still had the best time.
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Post by Mo-seph on Dec 19, 2013 13:27:56 GMT
such a subjective debate to be had on this one as without the game data files to analyze its always gonna be something based on "feel" or opinion
im sure pre-release i read something about using the same tyre type as the car your driving (i.e sports on sports, high end on super, muscle on muscle) gives a margina handling difference but im struggling to find a source... that fits with Skorpios comments...
the problem is where handling is concerned it can only be tested in corners... which are damn nigh impossible to do in exactly the same way consistently.. were only human after all.. things like this are why imo rockstar should give more accurate stats for vehicles, the in game bars are a good visual, but not specific enough for my liking.
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Post by LuapYllier on Dec 19, 2013 13:35:31 GMT
The first right hand turn on Downtown Underground in a Sport Classic at 100% throttle. I have gotten pretty damn consistent at that corner.
My Monroe with all mods and stock tires simply could not hold the track. It would get 75% around and then just drift out and keep sliding till I came to a stop. Same car with Muscle tires could get around the corner but rear was on the edge of release the whole time and would regularly cause me to let off to save it from complete slip. Same car with High End tires sticks to the road all the way around corners 1 2 and 3/4 without letting off the gas at all.
This comes from a guy with no less than 400 laps on that track.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:39:55 GMT
I am more of a High End type of guy regardless, lol.
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Post by Mo-seph on Dec 19, 2013 13:51:18 GMT
i tend to pick high end on most of my cars too,
@luapyllier - 400 laps... wow that's some dedication dude
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Post by Cuz05 on Dec 19, 2013 18:08:30 GMT
Need an option that reads 'There is no tyre that will stop me spinning out on every other lap'. I'll vote that.
Interesting, Luaps testimony. I have seen various experiments that have turned up 'probably not' but you can't argue with your own personal experience. Good job I picked a high end wheel as my go to...
OT but connected, I take it that it's spelled 'tires' across the pond? Gave me a spell error with a Y in there, had to read thru the thread to check I'd not lost my mind. Cheers to my countryman Mo for also using the correct spelling. To me 'tires' applies to me, not my car.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 18:11:12 GMT
The Carbon Cheetah's are my favorite, lol. You can find them on a lot of my cars. You can color a thin outer ring on the wheel to add a small detail.
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Post by Cuz05 on Dec 19, 2013 18:22:16 GMT
Will check them out Zero, I have started branching out from my old faithful Chromatic Zs recently. I do believe in taking the odd fashion risk tho...
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Post by T0lly on Dec 19, 2013 18:40:08 GMT
A while back I did some offroad testing climbing a hill and tried all the tyre types. Conclusion was no tire/wheel combo was any better than stock.
I also did some acceleration and braking tests with no armor and full armor and so no concernable difference either. My conclusion armor adds no weight variable to the car.
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Post by LuapYllier on Dec 19, 2013 20:36:25 GMT
See tolly thats interesting. When i first bought the bifta i took it out onto a track and it was rough, i was getting used the the crazy turning etc but was starting to get it by the end of 4 laps. I then went and modded it completely up and threw high end tires on it because i use blade rims on all my stuff. Did the same track and holy shit i was all over the place. I thought the mods were too much for the car. But i was noticing that when i hit the paved sections of the track the car straightened right upquick. It is the first time i had even considered tires and i thought...wonder if it needs the offroad. When i switched and went back to the track it was like night and day the difference in my ability to not completely do donuts on every turn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 20:42:11 GMT
If off-road tires have no difference on actual road tracks but on-road tires are useless off road wouldn't it be better to use off-road tires on the car for tracks which have both on and off road sections?
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Post by T0lly on Dec 19, 2013 21:14:48 GMT
See tolly thats interesting. My tests where climbing a hill. I was looking for tire with traction advantage. I didn't try tracks or pavement. This was also in version 1.05, if that matters.
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Post by CloudFuel on Dec 19, 2013 23:22:10 GMT
It seems likely to me that the one and only thing tires would effect are grip (aka handling). You wouldn't really notice acceleration or speed difference (in a straight line), but rather how do you corner with different types of tires? I've ALWAYS noticed that high end tend to stick, muscle tend to be more loosey goosey, and sports are kind of in the middle. I have not messed with Tuner and Off-Road I have only done with off-road vehicles.
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Post by surlyoldmanmn on Dec 20, 2013 2:00:16 GMT
I don't notice a difference. I have a feeling it would be common knowledge by now if there were a separate state stored with the build to affect performance based on the wheels. Pure speculation though. Could be? The only "testing" I see done is pretty questionable, like less than a second per lap with hardly any laps run. Most people have serious problems being that consistent with exactly the same car. If you CAN consistently hit your fastest lap time after time, you're probably one of the best drivers in the game.
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Post by CloudFuel on Dec 20, 2013 15:50:24 GMT
I don't notice a difference. I have a feeling it would be common knowledge by now if there were a separate state stored with the build to affect performance based on the wheels. Pure speculation though. Could be? The only "testing" I see done is pretty questionable, like less than a second per lap with hardly any laps run. Most people have serious problems being that consistent with exactly the same car. If you CAN consistently hit your fastest lap time after time, you're probably one of the best drivers in the game. Good points. Another thing to consider is the placebo effect... to TRULY test with the least amount of variables possible... you should use the same car and NOT know the wheel type ahead of time. Test and leave commentary... then at the end find out the wheel type.. then you are not possibly swayed ahead of time.
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Post by Mo-seph on Dec 20, 2013 16:38:51 GMT
A good point cloudfuel, it might be possible to do tht by driving another crew members car... They take it to lsc, set the tyres, you take it for a spin. Rinse and repeat with different tyre options... Only aspect is the offroad knobbled tyres will be a bit obvious from a visual perspective... In game testing is always gonna be ambiguous based on that soft squidgy bit between the chair and the controller. Ideally we could check the data files after changing tyres, if all stats remain the same then theres no difference. Either that or building a robot with servos to steer the car in a consistent arc.. Switch tyre types and see if theres a difference in time taken, spin outs etc Obviously this is all theoretical and very impractical to implement, personally I pick the wheel and tyre combos I like visually and blame any difference on myself... Tiredness or that old "smoke in the eye" excuse
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Post by nittydon on Dec 27, 2013 12:33:21 GMT
First pic for scale ! I climbed that not fell down Not sure if the wheels affect racing, but I honestly feel they help mountain climbing !! Couldn't reach that ledge with my Feltzer or Entity ?
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Post by T0lly on Jan 15, 2014 14:03:38 GMT
I am back looking into this theory of wheel types affect grip. I have a new testing method to try and will be testing for at least a week. I am installing off-road wheels on all of my cars (10 classes) in the racing garage. Then will be running races as normal. My non-scientific testing criteria will be to watch my lap times. I am usually in the top three times when racing with fellow crew members. If my times increase I will conclude less grip, if they drop and I am gettign fast lap more often then more grip.
I fitted my Elegy RH8 (best car in the game by the way) with off-road meats last night. Ran a few playlists and saw no difference in traction or handling. In fact off the line it seemed I got a bit more traction.
I was thinking of coating all of the cars in chrome as well, as the reflective diffraction interaction with the molecular structure of the conveyance substrate is surely to increase adhesion coefficients.
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Post by ToBContinued08 on Jan 15, 2014 15:28:27 GMT
I was thinking of coating all of the cars in chrome as well, as the reflective diffraction interaction with the molecular structure of the conveyance substrate is surely to increase adhesion coefficients. -.- I don't care if Bill Nye is your best friend. I do not approve of this. lol
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Post by T0lly on Jan 27, 2014 13:59:16 GMT
So I have been running the off-road wheels on all my racing vehicles (cept the Bifta) for a few days. I haven't noticed any loss of grip and it seems I am getting a bit more traction at the starts. The Entity seems to work very well with off-road meats installed. I have gotten some best lap times and stayed consistent with finishes. More unscientific testing to do.
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Post by Cuz05 on Jan 27, 2014 16:44:01 GMT
Off-road wheels ftw?! Those ugly treads, I'd rather lose....
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Post by surlyoldmanmn on Jan 28, 2014 0:19:46 GMT
Off-road wheels ftw?! Those ugly treads, I'd rather lose.... Oh I dunno... What's better than spanking a dirty racer in super cars? Spanking them in a super car with 35" boggers fitted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:54:34 GMT
I was going to post this same question but then I found this old thread. Anyone have any new thoughts on tire/wheel combos affecting performance? Do custom tires help grip? I'm curious about this as I am always looking for more grip in races. Lots of new guys and new cars since this topic was last visited too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 14:10:02 GMT
the tyre tread is very different changing wheel type. so is the width of the tyre. when LS was snowy on christmas, i had to put on every vehicle off-road tyres to get a better grip. Yes, wheels choices make a difference
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 16:01:02 GMT
From what I have tested it doesn't make any difference. It's the placebo effect that you feel.
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Post by Davexen on Jun 11, 2014 10:47:51 GMT
I'm having a hard time figuring out if I believe it makes a difference, lol. I lean towards believing it does. My Amazing Legendary Indestructable Rat-Loader felt really really slippery off-road, seems to handle it a bit better since I outfitted it with off-road tires. But, as stated above a few times, it could be a placebo effect. I could've just gotten a little more used to the Rat-Loader and managed to keep it more under control. I don't know and I wish R* would clear this up.
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