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Post by coach_wargo on May 19, 2015 19:47:42 GMT
The earlier crashes, while wild looking, weren’t particularly dangerous. Clearly they shouldn’t be flipping this easily, but everyone walked away just fine, which shows just how safe these cars are. With Hinchcliffe however there seems to have been a major design flaw. There’s no reason any piece of equipment should ever penetrate the cockpit. That’s scary.
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Post by Dam351 on May 21, 2015 11:33:01 GMT
The Le Mans Moto GP wasn't the greatest race I've seen, but... the late race battle for 4th certainly got my racing juices flowing. Definitely worth a look if vision is available. . And on the indy, why do they still drive open wheelers on banked tracks? After the death a few years back (forgotten name, Alan Simonson maybe) and earlier when Emerson (again I forgotten if this is the right driver. Fittapaldi?) losing his legs in that tragedy of a collision I'd have thought it'd be stopped. Apologies if I got any names wrong but I'm sure you guys know the accidents I'm referring to.
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Post by Dam351 on May 21, 2015 11:48:03 GMT
Found this low quality vision on yt. Around 16.00 or 16.20 they start on this version, slightly different to the coverage we got here. They swapped position at least 20 times and I'd guess at least 10 times on 1 lap alone, during the last few laps
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 14:06:04 GMT
Dan Wheldon 2011, Las Vegas 300 in a race heavily criticised as being over subscribed driver wise with many lacking the experience or credentials to be on track. Organisers thought a packed grid would be good for "the show". This incident gave birth to the current semi open wheeled monstrosity's.
Alex Zanardi 2001 at Lausitzring, Germany. Some of the still images from that are the nastiest I have ever seen and I will not be linking them here in case anyone's eating as they read.
Alex made a successful return to WTCC racing and has won gold medals at the London para-Olympics, won a few hand cycling marathons and made a more than good showing at an Ironman event only last year. Class act.
On the subject of "the show". F1 movers and shakers have decided to bring back re-fueling during a Grand Prix. That is all they have managed to agree on. Like bringing back sparks. Good job guys. The excitement of wondering if a pit crew will get torched or be swiped with a still attached to car fuel hose will surely increase the interest Joe Idiot public has for the sport...not.
Have we not been there, done that already?. Did'nt it get banned because of obvious safety issues?. What a bunch of spineless self interested twats run F1.
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Post by coach_wargo on May 21, 2015 14:31:35 GMT
Without the Indy 500 you have no Indycar. That race alone subsidizes most of the season for a lot of the teams. The real problem is that there was no off season testing of the oval areo package. They literally had no idea what would happen until they showed up at Indy. The teams, or at least the manufacturers, should have been allowed to test somewhere. The ovals are what makes Indy racing unique from any other type of open wheel series. Without them the series would get about as much press as GP3. If it weren't for the 500 would anyone be talking about Indycar? The scariest wreck I've seen at Indy itself was Stan Fox in 1995. It happened on the first turn of the first lap. The wreck ended his career, but he was lucky as hell to keep his legs. Ironically he was killed in an auto accident on a road in New Zealand in 2000.
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Post by deejayb1874 on May 21, 2015 14:37:11 GMT
Just watched the vid of the Aex Zanardi crash, wow is that an impact. Looked at the stills too, wish I hadn't now to be honest...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 14:39:22 GMT
Told yer.
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Post by Dam351 on May 21, 2015 16:25:09 GMT
Thanks trak, I'm not great with names, not even my own family. These days when someone irl asks do u know so n so? I usually reply maybe by face but the name doesn't seem familiar.
Yeah idk about the no testing making any racing more exciting to watch. Over testing by big budget teams is not fair either, imo there should be a reasonable amount of time for everyone.
I do remember Alex Zanardi being upbeat and positive in attitude shortly after the accident, so great to hear he's still competing, like trak said A Class Act for sure. Hopefully F1 have a system in place for the refuelling. It seemed Ferrari's green light system was to blame for several incidents. Maybe something like the fuel hose activating a clutch/brake while its attached to the car, so no impatient drivers or reckless lollypop men release the car early
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Post by coach_wargo on May 21, 2015 16:44:39 GMT
I don't know why they would bring back refueling. If you can safely carry enough fuel to race without refueling then it makes no sense to take the added risk. For a series like Indy it's necessary because carrying 500 miles worth of fuel would be more dangerous than the need to refuel.
I also read that F1 is still going to restrict fuel flow rates and total fuel allotment, which is basicly what they do now.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:32:15 GMT
Yuss Coach. Contrary to popular belief, B.Ecclestone does not decide what goes on in F1 anymore. The moneyed teams, each with their fingers stuck firmly in the financial pie, do. Each has their own axe to grind. None are giving way to the other. The "I'm alright jack" mentality reigns supreme here. That they may be the only teams in the game shortly and that people will assuredly not go to the circuits to watch such farce, (less circuit owners wishing to host a loss making GP=less races to put on t.v except for those countries willing to put them on at a loss, wishing only to somehow legitimise themselves on a world stage) escapes them completely.
It did not surprise me that this bunch of businessmen totally overlooked the significance of simple noise in F1 and introduced hybrid vacuum cleaners that they wish to sell to the public instead. It is beyond such beings comprehension that such a simple thing could matter. So currently, their plans moving forward are to introduce gimmicks like re-fueling, making the cars look more "aggressive" (1990's wide with fatter tyres) and somehow get louder, rev harder and get 5-7 seconds a lap faster (more like 2004 speeds) without ever changing the fuel flow max rate of 100kg/h or 100kgs max load allowed or altering the presently lardy minimum weight regs. The little bit of engineer in me says good luck with that.
A simple, but for them unpalatably ungreen and embarrassing back pedaling on these arbitrary but nice simple looking numbers, (like any gen.pub.cas. punter would know or care) would bring the 1000bhp+ they say they are looking for overnight and easily, I might add. If they could get 1400bhp out of a turbo 1500c.c motor in 1985 (albeit briefly. Qualifying lap, job done, KABOOM!), I'm dead certain they could do it now and those things were not wanting for soul enhancing noise either.
While I'm bored and on one. I wish they would drop the DRS B.S. too. It's fooling no-one that matters. Quality not quantity.
F1 Committee: but you said you wanted more overtaking, we made it really easy!. Why you no like?. So confused right now!. Waaaaaaah!.
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Post by Dam351 on May 21, 2015 21:37:46 GMT
F1 does need to be fixed. Its broken, the rules n regulations. So a lot of those gimmicks will improve the sport, but its a losing battle. Where's the difference between makes these days, its basically a few different dildo shaped noses on the front of the cars. No road runner style wings mounted 9 metres above the car, no monster air intakes 1 metre high by 5 cm wide, no additional front wheels for a 6 wheeled beast, no 10inch high by 6inch wide tyres on the front with 36inch high n wide on the ass. Actually allowing different types/brands of tyres for the teams would be a step in the right direction. The politics of Ferrari and others kill F1 as much as anything else. So many problems, F1 could be the model R* based themselves on
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Post by coach_wargo on May 22, 2015 0:18:18 GMT
F1 is basically in the same position Indy was 25 or 30 years ago. Indy regulated all of the innovation and unique designs out of the sport and eventually everyone stopped paying attention. Now it's a spec series that people tune in for once a year. If F1 isn't careful they'll suffer the same fate.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:15:01 GMT
The Monaco Grand Prix and the Indianapolis 500 this coming Sunday. Hooray!. Neither of which I will be able to watch live. Boooooo!.
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Post by coach_wargo on May 22, 2015 2:45:03 GMT
Monaco in the morning, Indy in the afternoon, NASCAR at night. It's an orgy of auto racing!
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Post by Dam351 on May 22, 2015 4:17:39 GMT
Monaco in the morning, Indy in the afternoon, NASCAR at night. It's an orgy of auto racing! I love those days. Throw in a game of footy and maybe if time permits some online gaming in between and its a perfect day of telly. Just hope the different sports don't don't force us to choose what to watch, back to back is fine, no overlaps pls
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on May 22, 2015 4:19:46 GMT
Monaco in the morning, Indy in the afternoon, NASCAR at night. It's an orgy of auto racing! I love those days. Throw in a game of footy and maybe if time permits some online gaming in between and its a perfect day of telly. Just hope the different sports don't don't force us to choose what to watch, back to back is fine, no overlaps pls alll back to back to back Monaco ends early, Indy starts around noon, Nascar starts at 7. There is enough time to get on the private jet after Monaco to Indy, and a private heli from Indy to Charlotte.
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Post by Dam351 on May 27, 2015 11:30:40 GMT
I love those days. Throw in a game of footy and maybe if time permits some online gaming in between and its a perfect day of telly. Just hope the different sports don't don't force us to choose what to watch, back to back is fine, no overlaps pls alll back to back to back Monaco ends early, Indy starts around noon, Nascar starts at 7. There is enough time to get on the private jet after Monaco to Indy, and a private heli from Indy to Charlotte. Well with that much time in between, as long as I kept at it and didn't give up, well there's almost a 60% chance I could load into gtao and have an online race. ★ Actually speeds In years gone by I've watched Monaco which usually starts around 22:00 here, then played texas holdem for a few hours, and then from memory there's a ritual of some sort where NASCAR Sprint cup drivers and teams line their machines up back to back, and generally do the media stuff which I don't feel compelled to watch. Its around 5am here when that starts and by then and I'm wishing I dont have to wait another hour or so to hear "Drivers (thanks Danica, because of you they're no longer gentlemen anymore) Stort yoor in juns*" W hich roughly translates into "finally all the bs is over and they better get the x off the track" I've probably fallen asleep by now, its after 6am here, and I'm still wondering if they'll ever start this race. But then "Boogedy Boogedy Boogedy! Lets go racing!" Even if I'm in a dead sleep I know I smile and think sh!t yeah!
*do the Gentlemen in that country have Indians? -dopey kid asked his parents in amazement after hearing it the first time.
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Post by ostpies on May 28, 2015 6:37:51 GMT
Monaco passed the time, Indy was very very good, Charlotte was predictably dull.
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Post by coach_wargo on Jun 11, 2015 18:58:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 13:45:22 GMT
This weekend sees the 83th running of the Le Mans 24hrs. I will be watching as much as I can on extremely dodgy quality freebie semi legal live-streams. Cars are super interesting technically with many variations on the "hybrid" theme on show in LMP1. Contrary to the current F1 fuel saving run-outs we have to endure at the moment, there will be no lifting and coasting but rather a flat out blast from start to finish. How very novel!. Almost sounds like proper racing doesn't it?. Porsche on pole for the first time since 1997 and with the fastest lap time recorded since the Mulsanne straight got it's chicanes and the 6rd fastest lap time ever, regardless of track configuration. What's not to like?.
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Post by doubles92 on Jun 12, 2015 14:13:16 GMT
LOL! I'm in tears at the moment :')
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Jun 13, 2015 3:03:40 GMT
What's not to like?. The ugly GTR that replaced the even uglier Deltawing?
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Post by coach_wargo on Jun 13, 2015 3:24:36 GMT
I liked the deltawing. Any time I see real innovative it's intersting to me.
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Jun 13, 2015 3:28:52 GMT
rant incoming I mean come on, it seems like theyve replaced the LMP1 designers with F1 designers ^Audi's 2015 LMP1 fighter i mean look at it, no flow, no concept, NOTHING! looks like it was crafted with a calculator, not an artistic hand. nothing i would want a diecast of put on my desk or shelf. looks like they added the front brake vents in last minute, like the engineers forgot it, and hurriedly asked the designers to put it on. dont get me started on the rectangle dorsal fin... doesnt deserve to sport the R18 or even the R tag tbh, brings shame to a long line of well designed cars the Audi R-# LMP timeline R8R
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R15 the meanest out of all of them
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Post by coach_wargo on Jun 13, 2015 4:07:53 GMT
I know it's not as pretty as past cars, but the goal is still the same, kick the other guy's ass. Form follows function, it's Louus Sullivan instead of Frank Lloyd Wright.
Edit: And the Deltawing looked like a car designed by Hot Wheels.
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Post by SPEEDSTER0595 on Jun 13, 2015 4:49:31 GMT
Innovative yes, im happy to see them experiment with it, but thats all it will be, an experiment, an ugly one at that, dont see the performance advantage, dont see how it can beat the LMP top dogs unless they came down to its level. The GT cars are probably the going to be the best looking ones for the second year running( mostly because theyre based on road cars that are designed to appeal to people not satisfy a calculator) Ford bringing their new GT with Chip and Felix next year, no gulf livery the C7 looks amazing as always Aston Martin the timeless classic The Comet with its beautiful behind And the fish eyed 458..., maybe bring the LaFerrari next year maybe please and thank you?
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Post by Dam351 on Jun 13, 2015 7:35:13 GMT
I can't till we have enough rummers on pcars to run a mini endurance LeMans. We can run LMP1 or 2 cars and GT3 4 or 5 as well and speed up time so we start in darkness racing throughout the day and finish the next night. Nearly all cars mentioned above are available on pcars except Ferrari. It'd be great fun. There was a patch for some of the bs to be fixed last night so maybe check out the pre owned section of game shops and pick up another broken but released anyways game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 15:40:09 GMT
Happily, found a decent quality free stream for the Le Mans 24h. Enjoyed it lots. Impressive, totally fault free run from the winning Porsche on only their second attempt at the race win since returning to the WEC last year. Suspect Mark Webber still kicking himself for 1 minute time penalty incurred for overtaking under yellows in his. One of the many versions of the beautiful and legendary 917. c.1970-ish.
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Post by coach_wargo on Jun 15, 2015 16:05:48 GMT
Poor Mark Weber, always a bridesmaid, never a bride. I couldn’t be happier for Hulkenberg though, he’s a top notch talent being wasted at Force India.
Unfortunately I was only able to watch a little of the night stint, and forgot to set my alarm to watch the end on Sunday morning. I woke up in time to see a recap and the podium ceremony.
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The Indy race in Toronto was pretty good. I don’t think the winning pit strategy was done by design, but it surely worked out for the little team that could.
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Post by ostpies on Jun 16, 2015 10:56:12 GMT
Watched about 17 hours of Le Mans, was enjoyable. Kiwis finished first and second which was the first time that's happened since 1966!
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